Trade War with China

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5:05 PM - 8 Mar 2018

The coloring makes it better since it shows that he is willing to shoot his own foot in order to damage the China-made sole.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Another arrow in China's quiver via beijing walker
As China Dominates Drug Manufacturing, Expert Says US Should Protect Medicine as a Strategic Asset
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May 9, 2018 2:45 pm Last Updated: May 9, 2018 3:42 pm
As Chinese companies increasingly dominate manufacturing in the global pharmaceutical market, an expert says it is high time for U.S. policy makers to start treating medicine as a strategic asset and to ensure the American public has a healthy reserve of essential drugs laid by for a time of crisis.

Rosemary Gibson, a
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at the Hastings Center, said on May 7 that it would be a grave mistake for United States to rely on a single country to make drugs that Americans rely on for their health and basic survival.

That country is China, which has been rapidly expanding its pharmaceutical manufacturing industry and is now the maker of thousands of drugs found in U.S. hospitals and pharmacies. The Chinese regime has a plan to be the “pharmacy of the world,” according to Gibson, and could soon overtake India as the dominant manufacturer of generic drugs.

In April, The Epoch Times
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Gibson’s new book, “China RX: Exposing the Risks of America’s Dependence on China for Medicine,” co-authored with Janardan Prasad Singh. The book documents what led to the U.S. dependence of Chinese-made drugs. It details how the Chinese regime has overtaken, and in some cases, put out of business, many key U.S. and global drug companies by undercutting and stealing from competitors, and cutting corners.

On Monday Gibson again talked about her new book at the Milken Institute School of Public Health at George Washington University, and said that U.S. policy makers need to take immediate steps to change the current approach to regulating medicine, which treats it as “no more important than T-shirt.”

“We need to view medicine as a strategic asset, just like how we view oil and energy supply,” Gibson said. “A strategic asset is something that will make our country fall apart—if we don’t have it.”

Gibson warned that the rapidly growing dependence by the United States and the world on Chinese-made drugs could turned out disastrous if there is a “Fukushima event” in China. The Chinese regime could easily deprive Americans of essential drugs in the event of a conflict in East or South China Sea, for example.

In World War II, the U.S. federal government worked with American pharmaceutical manufacturer Pfizer to make sure there was enough essential medicine for the soldiers, especially penicillin, which saved tens of thousands of lives. When industry and government work together, they can make sure the country’s drug policy is consistent with national security, said Gibson.

Ironically, the manufacturing of penicillin is now practically monopolized by Chinese manufacturers, along with many other essential drugs, such as vitamin-C and heparin. Gibson’s book details how Chinese “drug cartels,” supported by the Chinese regime’s aggressive industrial policy, has seized control of global drug markets.

Dan Slane, the former commissioner of the congressionally-mandated U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission (USCC), also said on the panel that U.S. government has to incentivize drug companies to manufacturer here, otherwise China “will wipe out everything.”

Citing India’s
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with China over border dispute last year, Gibson said that Indian media has widely reported how the country’s growing dependence on China for drugs could make India vulnerable in the event of a conflict.

“Imagine an Indian soldier opens his first aid kit, finds out the emergency medicine inside is running out, and it is made by China,” Gibson said, recalling a report that has been widely featured by Indian media that raised much alarm there. “We have yet to see a prominent article in U.S. media talking about our dependence on Chinese drugs.”

Discussing how the U.S. government could move to make medicine a strategic asset, Gibson said it is more important to ensure that U.S. industry has the continuous capacity to manufacture essential drugs in good quality and quantity, as compared to just stockpiling these medicines. Policy makers should also move to support greater innovation in drug manufacturing, Gibson said, as there haven’t been many advances in pharmaceutical technology in recent decades.
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In4ser

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For starters designed high end chips is harder . just look at how many top CPU company vs amount of countries doing SC I don't doubt China capabilities to eventually catch up but that take decades not coupled years .
It will be hard catch up but microchips can only get smaller to a point. 7 nm is already very small but I doubt if it can get much further than that since the average diameter of an atom is 0.1 to 0.5 nm. When the finish line is reached then runners ahead cannot gain any additional distance in the same race. That is why there is a lot talk and investments into quantum chips as an alternative for more computing power especially for indexing heavy task.
 
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s002wjh

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It will be hard catch up but microchips can only get smaller to a point. 7 nm is already very small but I doubt if it can get much further than that since the average diameter of an atom is 0.1 to 0.5 nm. When the finish line is reached then runners ahead cannot gain any additional distance in the same race. That is why there is a lot talk and investments into quantum chips as an alternative for more computing power especially for indexing heavy task.
yes the chip these day are harder to improve compare to decades ago where moore laws still apply. however, what intel and many other do is design better CPU architecture, smaller size, multi-core, including integrate GPU, or other design into the chip. so its more like MPSOC now.
 

BoggedDown

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ZTE's main business is telecommunication network and infrastructure, not mobile phones. So this ban will have short term effect on its mobile phone business as its high end phones are based on Qualcomm CPU. Though they can turn to other vendors with relative ease but main problem is Android OS and Google apps thorough Play Store which will be near impossible to find alternatives.

China's main problem is not chips or hardware which is its advantage arena, has caught up the race in very short time and can excel with relative ease in future. But its main short comings are in software like operating systems and other enterprise applications. It takes huge amount of men, money and time with super management skills and brain power to create software power houses like Microsoft, Google, Apple, Oracle etc. These companies are the main advantage of USA which any other country can not beat in near future even Europe lags far behind and China is a small kid in this race. Just think about it Google is banned in China for many years now yet Android OS is in near 100% of its mobile phones and if Google stops Play Store access Chinese mobile phone business will cease to exist immediately.
 

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ZTE's main business is telecommunication network and infrastructure, not mobile phones. So this ban will have short term effect on its mobile phone business as its high end phones are based on Qualcomm CPU. Though they can turn to other vendors with relative ease but main problem is Android OS and Google apps thorough Play Store which will be near impossible to find alternatives.

China's main problem is not chips or hardware which is its advantage arena, has caught up the race in very short time and can excel with relative ease in future. But its main short comings are in software like operating systems and other enterprise applications. It takes huge amount of men, money and time with super management skills and brain power to create software power houses like Microsoft, Google, Apple, Oracle etc. These companies are the main advantage of USA which any other country can not beat in near future even Europe lags far behind and China is a small kid in this race. Just think about it Google is banned in China for many years now yet Android OS is in near 100% of its mobile phones and if Google stops Play Store access Chinese mobile phone business will cease to exist immediately.

Chinese market phones use Android, but their own versions that don't use Google Play or Google apps (GMail, YouTube, Search, Maps, Chrome) and so on. Its useless to use Google apps in China anyway --- they are blocked by the Great Firewall.

Android can't be blocked by the US government because it is open source, like Linux, and uses Linux as its kernel.

If you are in the US, you should be familiar with another version of a non Google Android ---namely the variant used in Amazon Fire tablets.

Samsung smartphones in China are sold with Samsung's own app store.

In China, there are plenty of indigenous app store alternatives, and it seems every major tech company has one of their own, like Tencent. However, these app store alternatives don't filter out virus infected apps as well as Google Play does.

There are also websites that let you download Android APKs, including APKs for Google apps, if you want to install Google Play and Google apps on non Google Android, like on Amazon Fire Tablets, Chinese market Android smartphones and so on.
 

longmarch

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Forget it guys. ZTE has essentially shut down its operations with this ban, and Trump is not exaggerating; if ZTE goes under, loss would be tens of billions.

But China and US are too dependent on to each other, any trade war would hurt both equally. ZTE became an easy target as a bargaining chip due to its sheer stupidity.
 

taxiya

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Forget it guys. ZTE has essentially shut down its operations with this ban, and Trump is not exaggerating; if ZTE goes under, loss would be tens of billions.

But China and US are too dependent on to each other, any trade war would hurt both equally. ZTE became an easy target as a bargaining chip due to its sheer stupidity.
I don't see the necessity of harsh altitude to ZTE's "stupidity". Remember ZTE, like many other SoE (in oil and banking sectors) carries out national strategic tasks. The very thing you blame ZTE for is their business in Iran, am I right?

Now, let me tell you why it is not ZTE's "stupidity". ZTE built a massive fiber communication network in Iran. Who is to say this network is not serving the Iranian defense? We all know Iran is a patterner of China in the region that China will NEVER give up (think about the cost to China of the fall of Iranian Sasanian Dynasty at the hands of Arabs in 651AD). You also should know that China set up many entities (banks, oil companies) to do business with Iran. These entities have absolutely no business in US, therefor immune to the sanction (so long as Washington is not openly going after the Chinese government). Some of them (not well prepared) were actually sanctioned by US, nothing special to blame ZTE. ZTE may have made some mistakes, or the government as well, but never blame ZTE for doing the job. I would not blame the soldier who lost his leg on the battlefield for his "stupidity".
 
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