Trade War with China

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manqiangrexue

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Mexico getting slapped with tariffs, 5% every month until 25%. Even after Mexico signed the new NAFTA 2.0 deal.

Why would China to trust that Trump will uphold and honor the trade deal? He backed out of so many agreements, like Iran nuke deal, Paris climate accord, UN arms treaty, UNESCO, UNHRC, START treaty, TPP, and now NAFTA 2.0 is on verge of cancellation.

You can only apply logic and negotiate in good faith if your opponent is a rationalistic long term thinker, which Trump is not.
Oh, but Mexico didn't ratify it yet. It's being considered for ratification by the Mexican government now. That's why this is even more stupid... This thing could kill the whole USMC whatever it's called.
 
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Opinion 07:58, 01-Jun-2019
China to press ahead with promised countermeasures
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China's Ministry of Commerce announced on May 31 that China will establish a list of unreliable entities according to Chinese laws. Foreign enterprises, organizations and individuals that do not comply with market regulations, or violate the spirit of contract, block or cut supplies to Chinese firms for non-commercial reasons, and which seriously damage the legitimate rights and interests of Chinese enterprises, will be added to the list. Specific measures will be announced in the near future.

These countermeasures are in retaliation against the recent move by the United States to place a number of Chinese companies on its Entity List, subject to export controls, without finding any proof of misconduct. The outside world should not be surprised by China's countermeasures, imposed to safeguard its legitimate rights and interests.

Despite being forced to fight back in the ongoing trade war, China has always adhered to its principles: We are unwilling to fight, but not afraid to fight, and will fight when necessary.

Beijing has responded adequately and effectively to the U.S. "carrot and stick" approach. For more than a year and a half, and with the utmost sincerity and efforts, China has conducted 11 rounds of high-level economic and trade consultations with the United States based on the principle of mutual respect, equality and mutual benefit, achieving positive progress.

However, the U.S. has repeatedly gone back on its word by raising tariffs. It even used state power to cut off the supplies provided by US companies to Chinese companies such as Huawei despite no evidence of misconduct being found, exerting extreme pressure on China in an attempt to deter the latter's development.

If you want to talk, let's talk seriously; if you want a fight, then make it a good solid battle. Since the United States has shown no sincerity and presses on at every stage, the Chinese side will meet the challenge head on, and see it through to the end.

The Chinese side has been forced to fight, however, its response has been well-thought out. It has proposed a slew of countermeasures including slapping 10 to 25 percent extra duty on 60 billion worth of dollars goods starting from June 1st. It has warned America against using products incorporating imports of China's rare earth resources to contain the development of China. It has further established the mechanism of an unreliable entity list.

Taken together, they have proved that the Chinese side has sufficient policy tools in its armory to deal with the pressure coming from the U.S. side.

Former US president Jimmy Carter once commented that the United States is "the most warlike country in the history of the world." In comparison, "China has not wasted a single penny on war."

Instead, it has invested its resources in high-speed rail construction and other projects. Indeed, China is a country that loves peace, exercises restraint, and focuses on development. It acknowledges that there is no winner in any trade war, and any suppression and counter-measure can only hurt both sides.

The Chinese side has never sought a trade war, but hopefully, its deployment of policy tools will help the U.S. side recognize that a cooperative and mutually beneficial approach is the right means to achieve global development.

The experience of the last year has proved that raising tariffs harms the interests of both China and the United States, and nor is it conducive to the whole world.

A sudden cutoff of the global value chain will cause enormous damage to human technological progress and civilization. China has always regarded negotiation as the first and best option for resolving trade disputes.

However, cooperation must be based on certain principles and negotiations must be sincere. The U.S. side should not overestimate its ability to control the global situation, nor should it underestimate China's ability to safeguard its own development rights.

No matter what actions the United States takes next, China will always stick to its principles: If you want to talk, the door is wide open; if you ask for a fight, then we'll see it through to the very end.
 

zgx09t

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Mexico getting slapped with tariffs, 5% every month until 25%. Even after Mexico signed the new NAFTA 2.0 deal.

Why would China to trust that Trump will uphold and honor the trade deal? He backed out of so many agreements, like Iran nuke deal, Paris climate accord, UN arms treaty, UNESCO, UNHRC, START treaty, TPP, and now NAFTA 2.0 is on verge of cancellation.

You can only apply logic and negotiate in good faith if your opponent is a rationalistic long term thinker, which Trump is not.

He simply is irrational, as nobody in their right mind can't attribute him the strategy of rational irrationality, which seems way too sophisticated for him.
Up to a point, it could be a winning strategy just being a crazy lunatics among regular rational people as he threatens so much destruction to gain what he wants.
But when fat Kim out crazies him, Kim is his dear Leader and he loves him. He praised Putin's intelligence and Putin is his stablemate as he knew Russians will react crazier than what he could possibly expect given no choice and threat of so much destruction.
 

styx

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nice move the china entity list, if you cooperate with trump you risk be shut down from world largest market and not obtaining essential materials. China represents over 50% revenue for american cpu makers. Go to vietnam, or india that are already slumping and china navy control of scs we will see how better you'll fare. Get ready for a $2500 mediocre iphones
 
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xiabonan

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I think the reason why Trump always resorts to tariffs is simply because it seems to work the best and quickest and at no cost and he could just implement them as he wishes and there is no congressional approval needed.

But tariffs are neither "working best and quickest" nor "at no cost". Will Trump figure this out? I don't know.

Also, he and his team just seems incapable of coming up with any sort of a coherent well-thought out strategy or policy on anything...
 

xiabonan

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China's Ministry of Commerce has said today that there are four criteria for listing an entity in the unreliable entities list, these are
  1. whether this entity is engaged in carrying out a blockade, cutting off of supply, or other discrminatory measures against a Chinese entity;
  2. whether this entity violates market rules and the spirit of the contract based on non-commercial reasons;
  3. whether this entity causes material harm to Chinese enterprises or relevant industries;
  4. whether this entity poses a threat or a potential threat to national security.
All four will be taken into consideration in a comprehensive manner.
 
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