Trade War with China

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hkbc

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People shouldn’t celebrate too early, this is still a hell of a long way from over.

Meng is still a hostile, just one now held in a more comfortable cage.

Sure, she can now easily run, but doing so will cost her more than just the millions put up as surety. Running would make her a true criminal, and probably effectively end her career as not only would she not be able to safely travel outside of China, but her continued involvement with Huawei will forever be used by the west to further attack the company, making her a liability.

In a way, this is a savy move by the Canadians and Americans, as global attention and sympathies about the case will now rapidly fade with their collaborators in the MSM able to safely bury the story.

Not sure about the savvy bit, if you go out of your way to alienate 1 billion+ people with long memories it's just going to make things bad down the road, but judging how the current lot in charge in the US treat sections of their own citizenry it's not surprising beacuse they think its a winning formula.

Last couple of years has shredded the bubble of illusion surrounding the US the noises that reverberate in the US media echo chambers makes the locals feel happy and self important but when your leader is literally laughed at in the UN general assembly maybe no matter the amount of spinning done the rest of the world just isn't buying! Reality will ultimately trump perception, after all who's paying for that beautiful wall again?

Pretty sure Xi is familiar with the phrase 君子報仇十年不晚 and Meng Wanzhou well she'll probably go down in Chinese annals as a martyr to the cause.
 

plawolf

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Not sure about the savvy bit, if you go out of your way to alienate 1 billion+ people with long memories it's just going to make things bad down the road, but judging how the current lot in charge in the US treat sections of their own citizenry it's not surprising beacuse they think its a winning formula.

Last couple of years has shredded the bubble of illusion surrounding the US the noises that reverberate in the US media echo chambers makes the locals feel happy and self important but when your leader is literally laughed at in the UN general assembly maybe no matter the amount of spinning done the rest of the world just isn't buying! Reality will ultimately trump perception, after all who's paying for that beautiful wall again?

Pretty sure Xi is familiar with the phrase 君子報仇十年不晚 and Meng Wanzhou well she'll probably go down in Chinese annals as a martyr to the cause.

The savy move was to grant her bail. Taking her in the first place was the height of petty shortsighted stupidity.

This is turning into the classic American extortion tactic of first creating a problem and then offering to resolve it in exchange for concessions that Americans thinks is negotiating.

You won’t hear it in the western MSM, but such brazen thuggishness only serves to undermine American credibility around the world.

In future, I would wager US allies are at a minimum going to do background checks on any US arrest request to make sure they don’t get suckered into another American hostage grab.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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Looking back, this shouldn't have been surprising. The US regime is an upstart nation "discovered" through genocide, built on the backs of race based slavery, enslaved and plundered the developing world through wars of aggression sold as "humanitarian intervention" and debt traps disguised as "aid" (
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Beautifully said. America can be nothing but the grotesque monstrosity it is.
 
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Law enforcement officials rebuff Trump over prosecution of Chinese executive

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Top law enforcement officials on Wednesday pushed back on comments from President Donald Trump suggesting the prosecution of a Chinese telecommunications executive
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"What I do, what we do at the Justice Department, is law enforcement. We don't do trade," assistant Attorney General John Demers, the department's top national security official, said at a Senate hearing.
"We follow the facts and we vindicate violations of US law. That's what we're doing when we bring those cases, and I think it's very important for other countries to understand that we are not a tool of trade when we bring the cases," he added.
Demers said Wednesday that if Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou is extradited from Canada, as the US has requested, "our criminal case will continue," he said. He declined to comment further on the case.
In an interview with Reuters Tuesday, Trump said he would intervene in the case against Meng if it proved beneficial in securing a trade deal that has splintered relations between the two countries in recent months.
"Whatever's good for this country, I would do," Trump said. "If I think it's good for what will be certainly the largest trade deal ever made -- which is a very important thing -- what's good for national security, I would certainly intervene if I thought it was necessary."
Sen. Richard Blumenthal, a Connecticut Democrat, called the comments "extremely disturbing."
The Senate Judiciary Committee heard testimony Wednesday from Demers and other top counterintelligence and cybersecurity officials on Chinese espionage threats.
Bill Priestap, the FBI assistant director in charge of the counterintelligence division, detailed law enforcement's concerns with Huawei, noting that Chinese cybersecurity laws allow the country to exploit data from some of their companies, like Huawei, "however they want."
"With Huawei's growing position globally and other telecomms, we have to understand that that means the company, the user data that those companies possess, can be utilized by the Chinese government in whatever manner possible. To me that's extremely worrisome," Priestap said.
Regarding Trump's comments, Priestap said the FBI would simply follow the motto "do your job."
"From the FBI's end, we're going to continue to do our job," he said.
Meng was
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at an airport in Vancouver, Canada, at the request of the US government, authorities have said.
Meng is accused of helping Huawei get around US sanctions on Iran by telling financial institutions such as HSBC that a Huawei subsidiary, Skycom, was a separate and unaffiliated company.
On Tuesday, Meng stepped out of detention after 10 days behind bars when a judge in Canada approved her release on $10 million Canadian bail ($7.5 million US).
 
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Canadian court releases Huawei's Meng Wanzhou on bail

And somehow, I am not 1% more inclined to forgive Canada. I've been thinking all day how to boycott them... but I can't find a damn thing I buy that's made in Canada as it is... LOL (I'm not a big maple syrup guy.)


Try Canada Goose.

Or alternatively,. Purchase Iranian agricultural products such as Pistachio, Saffron,. Date, Almond,. Walnut,. Paella, Raisin, Apricot, Fig, caviar.
 
Today at 8:01 AM
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Former Canadian Diplomat Detained in China, Adding to Tensions
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the Twitter account of Michael Kovrig;
as they say,
If You Look For Trouble, You Will Find It:

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The latest edition of
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Michael John Kovrig, former Canadian diplomat and senior adviser of International Crisis Group, has been detained by Beijing State Security Agency since Dec 10

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link to the story I've now read:
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Meng Wanzhou is out on bail — but could be in legal limbo for years
at that time didn't notice the tweet
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CFO Meng Wanzhou posted a message on social media after her release on bail: “I’m in Vancouver, back with my family. I’m proud of Huawei, and I’m proud of my motherland! Thank you for your concern.”

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Despite an extremely limited presence in the US, Chinese telecommunications company
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, after Samsung, as of August 2018.

For anyone who thinks that Apple's smartphones are the most popular devices, you'll be surprised to know there are more Huawei smartphones in people's hands than iPhones.

Indeed, that stat comes with merit. Huawei smartphones are excellent devices.

On the high-end, Huawei smartphones come with beautiful designs and high-end specs and features that easily rival the top smartphones in the US, like Samsung's Galaxy S9 and LG's G7 and V40 smartphones.

One recent Huawei model, the P20 Pro, was touted as having
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on any smartphone, with some saying it even bested the
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smartphones. Google's Pixel devices are known to have the best smartphone cameras, so it's a feat for Huawei to rival Google with smartphone cameras.

Like Samsung, the top smartphone maker in the world, Huawei also offers several midrange and budget devices that are more accessible to a wider range of people around the world. And those are excellent devices, as well.

I've been told by several smartphone makers that the US smartphone market is one of the toughest to crack. It largely has to do with the fact that the vast majority of Americans still buy their smartphones from network carriers, like Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint, among several other carriers in the US.
If a smartphone maker strikes a deal with a US carrier to feature their smartphones at carrier stores, the chance of success is significantly greater.

That consumer behavior is different in most other countries around the world, where smartphone users don't always buy their smartphones from their carriers. Rather, they're often bought directly from a company, tech stores, and even dedicated smartphone stores, like the Carphone Warehouse in the UK. As a result, global smartphone users are exposed to a wider variety of brands, including Huawei and Xiaomi, for example.

For Huawei, the all-important carrier partnership never came. The company was on the brink of announcing a partnership with AT&T in January 2018, but the deal fell through amid US government pressure for AT&T to drop the partnership. Supposedly,
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because of Huawei's business ties to the Chinese government.

When you visit
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today, you won't find the latest devices the company has to offer, like the
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. Huawei devices can still operate on US carrier networks, but the majority of Americans won't see a Huawei device on carrier store shelves. As a result, most Americans may not even know about Huawei, the second biggest smartphone maker in the world.
 
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