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What's next for Huawei's CFO after being released on bail in Canada
2018-12-13 11:19 GMT+8
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Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou faces extradition to the United States. What will happen next? What are the likely scenarios for the case?

The next legal steps are as follows. The United States has 60 days from Ms. Meng's detention on December 1 in Vancouver to file a formal extradition request with the Canadian authorities. Then Canada's Justice Department would have 30 more days to weigh the request. If Canada's government approves it, the extradition case would be heard in a Canadian court. The court would decide its next course of action purely on the basis of evidence presented in court. So, there are three possible scenarios.

First, the US formally sends its extradition request to Canada but the Canadian government rejects it. Second, Canada accepts the request. A trial for extradition begins and goes on for months. It's possible that after a long legal battle, the court may rule in the Huawei CFO's favor due to lack of credible evidence. And finally the third scenario: The court approves the request of extradition to the US. Still, even if extradition is granted, Meng would have several options to appeal the verdict in Canada. And this again would take several months.
 

hkbc

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The savy move was to grant her bail. Taking her in the first place was the height of petty shortsighted stupidity.

This is turning into the classic American extortion tactic of first creating a problem and then offering to resolve it in exchange for concessions that Americans thinks is negotiating.

You won’t hear it in the western MSM, but such brazen thuggishness only serves to undermine American credibility around the world.

In future, I would wager US allies are at a minimum going to do background checks on any US arrest request to make sure they don’t get suckered into another American hostage grab.

The thing is they still have to either extradite her or let her go, if they let her go then as Canada is a "rule of law" country you could see the deflamation, false imprisonment, loss of earnings or any of a litany of lawsuits fly against Canada its not as if she doesn't have the money!

If they extradite her it will be a show trial

And the circus will roll on, sure the MSM won't be televising that blockbuster, the Savvy move was hers by asking for a gagging order!

To borrow some hollywood lines from the aptly named film "Taken"

"I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my daughter go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you."
 

plawolf

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The thing is they still have to either extradite her or let her go, if they let her go then as Canada is a "rule of law" country you could see the deflamation, false imprisonment, loss of earnings or any of a litany of lawsuits fly against Canada its not as if she doesn't have the money!

If they extradite her it will be a show trial

And the circus will roll on, sure the MSM won't be televising that blockbuster, the Savvy move was hers by asking for a gagging order.

Sovereign immunity means governments cannot be sued.

You might be able to sue the prosecutor, but only if there was some serious procedural and/or ethical breaches in how they prosecuted the case and/or why they brought it. But there seems slim hopes of there even being grounds to sue on either count to pass even a preliminary hearing.

It is reported that it can take up to 12 years to fully exhaust all legal avenues if both sides exercise all their available appeals and challenges. So this won’t end quickly unless either the US or Canadian governments let it end quickly.
 

AndrewS

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Sovereign immunity means governments cannot be sued.

You might be able to sue the prosecutor, but only if there was some serious procedural and/or ethical breaches in how they prosecuted the case and/or why they brought it. But there seems slim hopes of there even being grounds to sue on either count to pass even a preliminary hearing.

It is reported that it can take up to 12 years to fully exhaust all legal avenues if both sides exercise all their available appeals and challenges. So this won’t end quickly unless either the US or Canadian governments let it end quickly.

My view is that it will be dependent on the trade deal. We already saw this with the ZTE episode. And Trump has publicly suggested she be part of the 90day trade deal.
 

sleepy

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My view is that it will be dependent on the trade deal. We already saw this with the ZTE episode. And Trump has publicly suggested she be part of the 90day trade deal.
Different than ZTE because the forcefully taken ZTE official by US carried with him sensitive documents related to Iran transactions. ZTE cannot deny anymore. Those documents should have never carried oversea.

Huawei taken precautions, meng on purpose does not travel to US anymore and most likely won't carry sensitive Huawei document US needed. So, Huawei can just keep on denying it.
 

s002wjh

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Detaining 2 measly Canadians is not enough. To shellshock Canada back to its sense, probably need to arrest far more Canadians and with strong possibility of death sentences.
I disagree on this most foreigner visit china like or has interest there ..its against china interest to arrest them cause west just gonna use this as china threat. If they want arrests someone don't get arrest those who actually work or has interest in china ..
 

AndrewS

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Different than ZTE because the forcefully taken ZTE official by US carried with him sensitive documents related to Iran transactions. ZTE cannot deny anymore. Those documents should have never carried oversea.

Huawei taken precautions, meng on purpose does not travel to US anymore and most likely won't carry sensitive Huawei document US needed. So, Huawei can just keep on denying it.

I'm not referring to the legal technicalities.

This will just be part of the deal, because China wants Huawei to be let off.
 

hkbc

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I'm not referring to the legal technicalities.

This will just be part of the deal, because China wants Huawei to be let off.

I find your language amusing "Huawei to be let off", "let off" what exactly? not bending to extortion, not complying with US demands, making better/cheaper equipment than others?

There's just this lovely drip drip of unsubstantiated accusations derived from the fact the founder of the company used to be in the PLA, has anyone actually produced a smoking gun, with Huawei's finger prints on it, related to wholesale spying, the answer is no, otherwise it will be splashed all over fox news round the clock.
 

localizer

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this newsweek article just show how they’re willing to use the same Iraq WMD tactics on China

the sooner Chinese wakeup to the danger that is the US deep state the better off it will be

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and ofc bloomberg gets called out on its hacking story bullshit and no one cares, though damage is done
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