Trade War with China

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New Economy; The intellectual property debate takes a page from 19th-century America.

Back then, American law offered copyright protection -- but only to citizens and residents of the United States. The works of English authors were copied with abandon and sold cheap to an American public hungry for books. This so irritated Mr. Dickens -- whose ''Christmas Carol'' sold for 6 cents a copy in America, versus $2.50 in England -- that he toured the United States in 1842, urging the adoption of international copyright protection as being in the long-term interest of American authors and publishers.
 

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UBS has been one of the few financial institutions to sound the alarm that this trade war may incur much more damage to American companies than expected.

A China-US trade war would wipe 20% off the S&P 500, UBS says
  • Assuming virtually all trade between U.S.-China is affected by tariffs and other protectionist policies, the Swiss bank calculated that profits for S&P firms would take a 14.6 percent hit.
  • UBS analysts warned Friday that equity investors are not preparing for a trade war scenario, mainly due to recent statements from U.S. and European leaders.
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Investors could see steep drops in global stock markets if tensions between China and the United States escalate into a full-blown trade war, analysts at UBS said in a note Friday.

Assuming virtually all trade between U.S.-China is affected by tariffs and other protectionist policies, the Swiss bank calculated that profits for
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firms would take a 14.6 percent hit, with U.S. and global growth being 245 and 108.5 basis points lower, respectively.

However, the bank noted there would also be second-order effects. These "would be larger, with U.S. multinationals doing business in China also likely to be hurt by China retaliation." Thus, in terms of company valuations, these would take an additional 9.1 percent hit, bringing a total downside of 21.3 percent for the U.S. benchmark after some further adjustments by UBS analysts.


So far this year,
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has imposed new tariffs on Chinese solar panels, washing machines, steel and aluminum, as well as on other imported goods for intellectual property theft.
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However, there are more potential tariffs on the way, with Trump threatening to impose new levies worth as much as $200 billion.

David Riley, the chief investment strategist at BlueBay Asset Management, told CNBC's "Street Signs" Friday: "If I was sitting in Beijing, I would be pretty worried."

"I think we are going to get potentially more tariffs imposed on China coming at the end of the month, or early September," he said.

UBS analysts warned Friday that equity investors are not preparing for a trade war scenario, mainly due to recent statements from U.S. and European leaders.

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that put an end to fears of imminent tariffs on European cars. European stocks rallied on the news. However, the agreement didn't eliminate the prospects of new tariffs at a later stage.

"Equities are not yet discounting a trade war scenario and we see a 20 percent-plus decline driven by a combination of lower earnings and multiple contraction (which means that markets will start paying a lot less for the same amount of earnings)," UBS noted.
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s002wjh

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Larry Kudlow mention US and EU want to allied against China on trade. China need do something, last thing they want is for EU and US get together to pressure China
 

s002wjh

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I don't think it will take them decades They are not behind when it come to design. They are behind in manufacturing because it require huge sum of money And until recently the private sector shun investing large amount of money with low margin product. They prefer investing in software related application because of low investment and high margin

But the Trumph trade war change their mind set.Suddenly they realized that ll those fancy website won't work without proper hardware. so it is rude wake up call.
Now everybody are into the hardware. the Tencent, Alibaba, etc
my response is to the guy said he want force china domestic market to use domestic design chips etc. thats just bad for economy. whether or not china can make chip on par with intel/qualcomm etc. we just have to wait and see in few yrs or more.
 

manqiangrexue

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Larry Kudlow mention US and EU want to allied against China on trade. China need do something, last thing they want is for EU and US get together to pressure China
They literally added that comment because Trump wanted China to feel like there's more pressure so maybe China should just give up. They don't understand that it is impossible for China to give up on technological drive; it is the engine to drive the future of all Chinese people. To give that up is to surrender in war and be colonized; even the US and EU together cannot convince China to do so.

Also, the US and EU didn't work anything out. All the tariffs they had on each other are still in place and all the tariffs that could be placed are still on the table. Classic Trump = big celebration, no results. The only action that happened this week is that the US senate lowered/eliminated tariffs on a couple hundred Chinese-made items.
 

s002wjh

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They literally added that comment because Trump wanted China to feel like there's more pressure so maybe China should just give up. They don't understand that it is impossible for China to give up on technological drive; it is the engine to drive the future of all Chinese people. To give that up is to surrender in war and be colonized; even the US and EU together cannot convince China to do so.

Also, the US and EU didn't work anything out. All the tariffs they had on each other are still in place and all the tariffs that could be placed are still on the table. Classic Trump = big celebration, no results. The only action that happened this week is that the US senate lowered/eliminated tariffs on a couple hundred Chinese-made items.

maybe, but you know what they said "hope for the best prepare for the worst". China need plan for any scenario including the worst one, hope never used it, but if it happen they wont be cut off guard.
 

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Larry Kudlow mention US and EU want to allied against China on trade. China need do something, last thing they want is for EU and US get together to pressure China

you have to look at the other side.
that means US doesn't feel it has enough so has to get helpers.
it aint so tough after all.

I mentioned before, EU and US have different products so their interests wont converge.
 

tidalwave

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maybe, but you know what they said "hope for the best prepare for the worst". China need plan for any scenario including the worst one, hope never used it, but if it happen they wont be cut off guard.

the worst is stop trading with the west all together.

also read about "Tibet water to Xinjiang" project that will create a new CHina. It will propell China to number 1 GDP even without trading with the West and that's not an over statement if that project potential realized.
 

nugroho

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the worst is stop trading with the west all together.

also read about "Tibet water to Xinjiang" project that will create a new CHina. It will propell China to number 1 GDP even without trading with the West and that's not an over statement if that project potential realized.

If you do that means we lose ASML who supply us lithography equipment, and a lot of semiconductor supplier that we still don't have subsitute ( remember ZTE ). Surely we can turn to Japan, Korea and Taiwan, but are they willing to?

What you proposed will be very good if China is sufficient without west good, but now we still depend a lot to west ( and vice versa too ).

remember your article : Two Critical areas China lacking in the Semiconductor areas must be addressed.
I agree with it
 
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