Trade War with China

What do expect from a society where there are people who actually label panda bears as communist? If China found the cure to cancer, you better believe there will be people who want to prevent the cure being used just because their society wasn't the one to discover it. Chuck Norris is a Republican. Republicans in general are against stem cell research and treatment. Chuck Norris' wife suffered some mishap in a surgery in the US and where is Chuck Norris' wife getting the stem cell treatment needed in her recovery?

Is it possible Trump suffering from an inferiority complex that he is trashing China? Or is this merely a show that as President of the US (& like no other Presidents before him), he is pragmatic and "good" for America? He has divided American people. I believe the Chinese, Europeans, Latinos and others are utterly confused with his contradictory statements including justifying HIS Trade Wars. Is he dangerous? Well he is dragging the World including the WTO to an eventual grinding halt. Sad for all who considered that America was a great power who defeated Nazi Germany & Imperial Japan in WW II; helped nations to build themselves up economically thru' free global trade.

Trump is very unpredictable and he can change his opinions 180 degrees in a matter of hours ... somebody (or group of people) could make billions of dollars in FX trading or Stock market or commodity trading ...... all done online ..... nobody knows who done it

Another US motorcycle maker, the maker of Indian motorcycles, mulls moving some production from Iowa to Poland.

I've been reading and hearing the spin from Trump officials and supporters of how trade with other countries is insignificant to the overall US economy hence they're not worried. This coming from a country where the stock price of a company is everything. The stock price of a company can fall just because it didn't make as much money as projected. It still made a profit close to what was projected but because it didn't the stock price drops. Look at the cascade effect of steel tariffs.

Some of the US's premier corporations have China accounting for 20% of their sales. I notice this time around of Trump's tariff threats, the media is attempting to put the focus on how it's hurting China. Trying to scare China into backing down? I'm sure it'll affect China but the damage will be more on the US and not in just dollars. Also China is not a democracy. Trump was crying foul because China's retaliatory tariffs are targeting his voter base. They say that's $19 billion US farmers won't be making from China in soybeans alone. It's only $19 billion... I was watching a YouTube video from the WJS on China's cashless society and the argument made why it hasn't really been embraced by Americans is because of all the privacy concerns and in regards to China, there's no individual rights. One of the points made on the differences is China acts communally so the rights of the individual are not as important. In the US Americans will vote first by how whatever affects them personally. $19 billion in soybeans translates to many times more in political capital in a democracy.

Maybe if the US didn't have trade barriers for China buying anything it can't produce for itself, China would be dependent on the US just like its allies. Maybe there wouldn't be this so-called huge "trade deficit" in favor of China. But instead they now worry over Made in China 2025 initiative. So worried they want China to commit to not advancing technologically so they can do what they're doing to ZTE and they don't even bother to try hiding their ultimate insidious intentions. About 20% of China's exports go to the US. Over 60% of that are foreign corporations outsourcing their products they alone profit from to be made in China shipping them to the US to be sold.

Abe of Japan is pushing for RCEP now. What happened to TPP? Wasn't it suppose to reign in China forcing it under their will by excluding China? Now he's pushing for RCEP that includes China? Won't the rules of both organizations conflict? Who thinks China is going to join RCEP where Japan writes all the rules? Hence why TPP is going no where to which why Abe is pushing RCEP. I was watching the news round table shows this morning and even the typical European pundits are talking about advocating China's economic inclusion more to prevent everyone from being dependent on only the US.

Seems Trump really like the bilateral trade approach.

Alot of people are predicting China would suffer heavily in the fullscale trade war because China is holding less cards than US.
but I heard discussion and news that China is preparing in case of damages of economic losses and instability of political system (CPC), China would take the bold step of taking Taiwan back militarily. It won't be just trade war, it will get elevated,

if heavy losses from trade war causing political instability.

At that point nothing to lose.

China will roll the dice and capture Taiwan back militarily

Jura said:

both accounts FORBIN and Labrador are gone, and if that individual set up a new one (which can't be prevented, actually saw this on several occasions) it'd get quickly terminated, I guess

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tidalwave said:

Alot of people are predicting China would suffer heavily in the fullscale trade war because China is holding less cards than US.
but I heard discussion and news that China is preparing in case of damages of economic losses and instability of political system (CPC), China would take the bold step of taking Taiwan back militarily. It won't be just trade war, it will get elevated,

if heavy losses from trade war causing political instability.

At that point nothing to lose.

China will roll the dice and capture Taiwan back militarily

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That's going to get ugly for PRC and ROC. Taking the economic losses would be far preferable in this day and age. Military conquest even successful at that scale will not be forgotten for a long while. PRC's success is built on economic strength. Even if total trade between the two powers were to cease, it ends up hurting the Americans pretty much the same. Both take hits courtesy of Trump so why risk international fallout with an obviously aggressive war against Taiwan?

ougoah said:

That's going to get ugly for PRC and ROC. Taking the economic losses would be far preferable in this day and age. Military conquest even successful at that scale will not be forgotten for a long while. PRC's success is built on economic strength. Even if total trade between the two powers were to cease, it ends up hurting the Americans pretty much the same. Both take hits courtesy of Trump so why risk international fallout with an obviously aggressive war against Taiwan?

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Preferable for whom? Navarro engineers this to force China to change structurally not just pure economics and numbers.

economic losses would cause political instability for CPC as anticipated by many.

Trump and Navarro are business man and economic professor, they don't understand geopolitics.
Taking Taiwan and forming military alliance with Iran will be in the pipeline.

Xi will expand the horizon, and teach them a lesson.
Economic losses from US trade collapsed compensated by retaking taiwan is a worthy redemption in the eyes of Chinese citizens,

tidalwave said:

Preferable for whom? Navarro engineers this to force China to change structurally not just pure economics and numbers.

economic losses would cause political instability for CPC as anticipated by many.

Trump and Navarro are business man and economic professor, they don't understand geopolitics.
Taking Taiwan and forming military alliance with Iran will be in the pipeline.

Xi will expand the horizon, and teach them a lesson.
Economic losses from US trade collapsed compensated by retaking taiwan is a worthy redemption in the eyes of Chinese citizens,

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It would be beneficial to both PRC and ROC to avoid a war the scale of which will either end in PRC defeat and subsequent embarrassment (which would be far worse than losing some ground in economic terms as a very temporary situation) or result in the successful invasion and capture of Taiwan (I say invasion because pretty much everyone will see it as such due to Taiwan not wanting to be part of PRC). CPC has survived far worse.

Even losing a large chunk of short term profits (until Trumps decisions are reversed after so-called superior democratic elections and limited time in office) is far more preferable than going into war as an aggressor. Hardly anyone in the world will be on China's side and will not consider trade war to be justification for violent reactions even if it is! This would be a great way to lose the political favour PRC has been carefully and slowly gaining in the non-western world even if it were to win Taiwan. The "we're the best F the rest" attitude imperial China had in the past won't do it much good in this century unless CPC is prepared to supply Russian levels of well strategised propaganda... how successful international Chinese propaganda will work on the western world is questionable at best (Russians are using the "we're your white christian brothers also against immigrants and liberal policies" to decent success at least on the low end of the intellectual spectrum). Slowly but surely showing everyone the benefits of non-conformity to Washington's rules is a superior path.