Top threats to the PLA "in my opinion"

fishhead said:

It's different from the Taiwan scenario. Even PLA artillary force can cover the whole island using MLR. And the main base is in mainland China, no limitation of throwing in the forces.

All their air force can be wiped out in hours, all radar signal sources will be bombed out of hell.

They still can use rifles, yes but not much use.

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Well you see this is where we don't agree... In last two decades there was no conflict in which two sides had technological parity like the one between PRC and Taiwan... While PRC has quantitative advantage Taiwan isn't exactly defenseless and I for one aren't exactly convinced that PRC can wipe out ROC defenses in few hours...

isthvan said:

Well you see this is where we don't agree... In last two decades there was no conflict in which two sides had technological parity like the one between PRC and Taiwan... While PRC has quantitative advantage Taiwan isn't exactly defenseless and I for one aren't exactly convinced that PRC can wipe out ROC defenses in few hours...

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That's the latest American estimate, published even in Taiwan newspapers.

Actually in old KMT time, Taiwan itself estimate is that they can resist 3 days. Now they really talk hours, not days, publicly.

fishhead said:

It's different from the Taiwan scenario. Even PLA artillary force can cover the whole island using MLR. And the main base is in mainland China, no limitation of throwing in the forces.

All their air force can be wiped out in hours, all radar signal sources will be bombed out of hell.

They still can use rifles, yes but not much use.

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IMHO, this is a gross exageration and simplification.

The ROC has known of the quantitative advantge of the PRC all along and has prepared accordingly. They have hardened facilities and dispersal plans which will preserve most of their air force.

In order for the PRC to invade, they will require total air and sea dominance, otherwise, their ships full of troops will be at great risk, as would any invasion plans. I believe the ROC Air Force and Navy would hold out not only for days, but probably for weeks...even if the island was being hurt badly by the missile barrages.

With the US stationing more aircraft in Guam and the western Pacific, including Raptor F-22s, and with a second aircraft carrier being deployed there, the US would have very effective fighter cover over the island to assist the ROCAF within a few hours, and significant carrier cover to the east of the island within a couple of days. The fact that the US is moving more and more of these forces (including numerous nuclear attack submarines) into the area is a signal that the US takes the threat seriously and will be willing to respond to it.

I pray we never have to find out.

I think I read a report somewhere saying that Taiwan indeed has very capable weapons. The problem is they don't have them in sufficient numbers to be used for several days or weeks in a large scale conflict.
(I'm talking about Patriots, AMRAAMs and the like)
Any further info on this?

Let's stop these taiwan nonsense, what advantage they have? just name them.

All Taiwan airports, ports, military bases are within PLA's direct firing range, just need to remember this. Within hours of the war, everything they have are gone, no matter what.

fishhead said:

Let's stop these taiwan nonsense, what advantage they have? just name them.

All Taiwan airports, ports, military bases are within PLA's direct firing range, just need to remember this. Within hours of the war, everything they have are gone, no matter what.

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Well, the ROC has credible defenses, including ballistic missile defense. Their air force fighters, naval vessels, etc. are all modern and their personnel well trained...and they have a commitment of US support if it comes to military conflict that they do not initiate. Those are all good advantages for one to have on their side.

But, it seems this is getting emotional at this point and I do not want the discussion to slip into bashing or "ROC" vs "PRC" heated exchanges of who is best or not. So, that's all I have to say on the matter.

Please, no more PRC vs. ROC bashing. This thread isn't about PRC vs. ROC, it's about the weapons that are the most threatning to the PLA.

Jeff Head said:

Well, the ROC has credible defenses, including ballistic missile defense. Their air force fighters, naval vessels, etc. are all modern and their personnel well trained...and they have a commitment of US support if it comes to military conflict that they do not initiate. Those are all good advantages for one to have on their side.

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Let's put US factor aside since this thread is not about that and it hasn't escalated to that part. So stop distracting the topic.

Taiwan has no "credible defenses, including ballistic missile defense", which have never been proved in any battle fields. Yeah, they have "fighters, naval vessels", but they can be wiped out within hours. Why don't you want to address they're all within PLA's fire power range and how they handle it?

And Taiwan "personnel well trained" are not true, they only serve 1 year's term in armed forces. And any time temperature is above 38 degree they stop going outside - which is their official doctrine.

All you claims are baseless.

fishhead said:

Taiwan has no "credible defenses, including ballistic missile defense", which have never been proved in any battle fields. Yeah, they have "fighters, naval vessels", but they can be wiped out within hours. Why don't you want to address they're all within PLA's fire power range and how they handle it?

All you claims are baseless.

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Like I said, even though it is clear we disagree...it is also obviously getting emotional so there is no sense continuing...and besides, the moderator on this thread has directly asked to stop PRC vs ROC discussion, so no more need be said regarding that.

As for top threats to the PLA, I would say that they are any large, modern navy with strong strike at sea capabilities for sea denial, TBM defense to counter balllistic missiles, strong ASW capabilities to counter SS and SSN, AEW controlled, modern aircraft (like the Super Hornet , Lightning II, Raptor, or similar aircraft) with strong BVR capabilities, etc.

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When is the last time they fired a P-3 missile? Somebody call it "well trained" that makes everybody laugh, they're meat balls in the modern warfares.

Most Taiwan troops mixed stationing with their resident area, they don't have much chance to fire anything in a whole year. Same as Japanese troops, they don't have any place to do anything. A Japan tank driving a few hundred miles a year is not a news.

Neither of them are "well trained".