To those who serve/served in the armed forces: WHAT DO YOU ENVY ABOUT THE PLA?

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amorphous

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I have never served.

I think there is nothing to envy about being a PLA soldier. They are underpaid. They are instilled with the value of personal sacrifce for the good of "the country". PLA vets hold very high honor for having been a member of PLA and view the experience as a lifetime asset. I happened to know a few of Sino-Inida war vets (officers) when I was a kid. I was too young to know anything, but just the way these guys walked and talked made the impression these aint ordinary men.
 
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Troika

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amorphous said:
I have never served.

I think there is nothing to envy about being a PLA soldier. They are underpaid. They are instilled with the value of personal sacrifce for the good of "the country". PLA vets hold very high honor for having been a member of PLA and view the experience as a lifetime asset. I happened to know a few of Sino-Inida war vets (officers) when I was a kid. I was too young to know anything, but just the way these guys walked and talked made the impression these aint ordinary men.
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Military and civvie divide isn’t exactly just a Chinese thing, you know. And you’ll probably be interested to learn that self-sacrifice is something to instilled in almost all person to serve in an armed force. Soldiers who are just interested in self-preservation is not the sort you want manning a position behind you.

Well, I think in the PLA the veterans don’t abuse the new recruits as much as in, say, Russian Army, so that is good thing, at least.
 
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amorphous

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Troika said:
Well, I think in the PLA the veterans don’t abuse the new recruits as much as in, say, Russian Army, so that is good thing, at least.
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Don't know about the Russian Army. One of my highschool classmates served in an artillary regiment. After the initial training he was assigned to job of calculating trigonometry by heart, which sounded like very tough math to me. The training was brutal. It went in a one-on-one manner, one veteran VS a newbie. The veteran gave the problem and the newbie gave the answer in a certain amount of time. The newbies would be hit for wrong answers or being slow. My friend said though he was already one of the best in his cohort he was hit pretty badly. The veterans hit them using things ranging from fist and kick to pant belt, chair, rifle, anything they could get a hold of.:nono:

I just thought that if I could teach toefl and GRE to Chinese people in the same manner, jeez, the Chinese will outperform everyone else.
 
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Troika

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amorphous said:
Don't know about the Russian Army. One of my highschool classmates served in an artillary regiment. After the initial training he was assigned to job of calculating trigonometry by heart, which sounded like very tough math to me. The training was brutal. It went in a one-on-one manner, one veteran VS a newbie. The veteran gave the problem and the newbie gave the answer in a certain amount of time. The newbies would be hit for wrong answers or being slow. My friend said though he was already one of the best in his cohort he was hit pretty badly. The veterans hit them using things ranging from fist and kick to pant belt, chair, rifle, anything they could get a hold of.:nono:

I just thought that if I could teach toefl and GRE to Chinese people in the same manner, jeez, the Chinese will outperform everyone else.
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Haha! Well, trust me, mate, the Russian army is much worse, much as I hate to admit it, if this is worse PLA can do.

Beatings will continue until morale improve, eh?
 
bd popeye

bd popeye

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The veterans hit them using things ranging from fist and kick to pant belt, chair, rifle, anything they could get a hold of.
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If this sort of brutality is allowed in the PLA I have lost a great deal of respect for the seinor NCO's administering the assaults. This is dispicable.

If what has been posted is true if the PLA is ever in any sort of war I would predict that there would be number of "fraggings".

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Frag, Fragged, Fragging = "Frag is a term from the Vietnam War, most commonly meaning to assassinate an unpopular member of one's own fighting unit, often by means of a fragmentation grenade".

Usally unpopular officers & NCO's were the targets.
 
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amorphous

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bd popeye said:
If this sort of brutality is allowed in the PLA I have lost a great deal of respect for the seinor NCO's administering the assaults. This is dispicable.

If what has been posted is true if the PLA is ever in any sort of war I would predict that there would be number of "fraggings".

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Frag, Fragged, Fragging = "Frag is a term from the Vietnam War, most commonly meaning to assassinate an unpopular member of one's own fighting unit, often by means of a fragmentation grenade".

Usally unpopular officers & NCO's were the targets.
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I see no reason my friend lied to me about this. I believe what he said is true.

On the other hand, I am not all that sure fragging would be popular in PLA. These soldiers are convinced that the skills they acquire from training (brutal sometimes) will save their lives in real combat. So they will see it as necessary to train them as hard as possible, and they can view the assault positively. The newbies learn fast under constant pressure of iron fist. They soon become proficient in their job and the next time, they will administer the fists to next bunch of newbies. So this also becomes a normal procedure: your butt gets kicked before you kick butts :nono:
 
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amorphous said:
I see no reason my friend lied to me about this. I believe what he said is true.

On the other hand, I am not all that sure fragging would be popular in PLA. These soldiers are convinced that the skills they acquire from training (brutal sometimes) will save their lives in real combat. The newbies learn fast under constant pressure of iron fist. They soon become proficient in their job and the next time, they will administer the fists to next bunch of newbies.:nono:
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I'm not doubting your friends statement.

As someone who served actually 20 years in the military I can tell you the use of brutality is a very poor method of training. And in my opinion it will have a detremental effect in actual combat.

Following strict guidelines and holding 'newbies' accountable for their actions is a more proper way of training new service members. There are other and more effective methods of training.
 
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amorphous

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bd popeye said:
As someone who served actually 20 years in the military I can tell you the use of brutality is a very poor method of training. And in my opinion it will have a detremental effect in actual combat.

Following strict guidelins and holding 'newbies' accountable for their actions is a more proper way of training new service members. There are other and more effective methods of training.
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Certainly. I have never served. But I see that if I teach quantum mechanics this way, it will work :nono: up to some point (they are goint to hate me), but beyond a certain level it won't work no matter how hard I hit my students. :D
 
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Certainly. I have never served. But I see that if I teach quantum mechanics this way, it will work :nono: up to some point (they are goint to hate me), but beyond a certain level it won't work no matter how hard I hit my students. :D
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:rofl: Now this is funny. Trust me as a retired NCO in the USN I know how you feel!
 
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hallo84

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If anything PLA soldiers face less chance of active duty and plus it is illegal to fornicate with their wife when the men goes on duty.
 
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