Three gorges dam

Good deal from damming river? big benefit than environment impact? This is not how much good stuff you get than not good one, it's not about investing risk. The one who will get the impact from TGD will common people not nation leader. In the first time when this dam build there are many peoples that drove away from they land that become source of their income, they home and that's already bad news, what's next?
Solar power, wind power maybe a cost a lot, time consume,but for future it's good investment, the impact? At least you didn't need get rid many people from their land. and for nature? zero.
But anyway the Chinese leader always come with simple answer and close their eyes for bad effect.

solarz said:

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The Great Leap Forward was not due to the building of a large-scale infrastructure project, so your premise is irrelevant. And judging by the way you misunderstand science, you should not be telling the Chinese government how to do their scientific examinations.

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It may not have been a infrastructure project, however it was a failed industrialisation campaign of gigantic proportions. Perhaps it illustrates a point that the PRC certainly did'nt appear to do things by halves.

atoll80 said:

Good deal from damming river? big benefit than environment impact? This is not how much good stuff you get than not good one, it's not about investing risk. The one who will get the impact from TGD will common people not nation leader. In the first time when this dam build there are many peoples that drove away from they land that become source of their income, they home and that's already bad news, what's next?
Solar power, wind power maybe a cost a lot, time consume,but for future it's good investment, the impact? At least you didn't need get rid many people from their land. and for nature? zero.
But anyway the Chinese leader always come with simple answer and close their eyes for bad effect.

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So, clean energy benefits only the nation leaders and not the common people?

atoll80 said:

Good deal from damming river? big benefit than environment impact? This is not how much good stuff you get than not good one, it's not about investing risk. The one who will get the impact from TGD will common people not nation leader. In the first time when this dam build there are many peoples that drove away from they land that become source of their income, they home and that's already bad news, what's next?
Solar power, wind power maybe a cost a lot, time consume,but for future it's good investment, the impact? At least you didn't need get rid many people from their land. and for nature? zero.
But anyway the Chinese leader always come with simple answer and close their eyes for bad effect.

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Notwithstanding the problems caused by the building of the TGD, this has also to be weighed against the thousands of lifes saved, lifes that would otherwise be lost from the seasonal flooding and drought through the years.

seems some Chinese planner already come up with something: to reach they goal something need to sacrifice: nature and sometime people. I saw some interview in CCTV regarding this TGD matter: a farmer that lost many it's orange plantation land drown by high-rise water because river blocked by TGD project, there many, many way to solve clean energy source problem without blocking river.
Maybe it's not importance to you there's a life in the river! paddlefish, sturgeon, and something call Bazi? a freshwater dolphin? maybe this creature not important thing in eyes of Chinese leader and are even not mentioned in their plan but this creature was China natural treasure, part of Chinese identity. Maybe in the future Chinese kid only saw it in nature museum: behind a glass wall, hard and stiff.

For a thousand year Chinese civilization grow along this kind of river, river is mother of Chinese people.
Huang ho (Yellow river), Yangtze, Mekong are ancient river, so they are main part of nature "engine", responsible for climate in China.
Water engineering are not a new issue in China, there are history about it from King of Yu time, water project in Szechuan, Grand Canal they build for man benefit, with simple tools, with hundred to thousand power labor but nothing about blocking river mainstream!
Chinese planner are chasing by dateline of their own agenda, they swear not gonna stop by anything even by good reason. This time China worried by clean energy matters, but in next future by how to get supply of good quality water.

atoll80 said:

For a thousand year Chinese civilization grow along this kind of river, river is mother of Chinese people.
Huang ho (Yellow river), Yangtze, Mekong are ancient river, so they are main part of nature "engine", responsible for climate in China.

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And when it's not working then they have to fix it, majority rules in this case.

atoll80 said:

Water engineering are not a new issue in China, there are history about it from King of Yu time, water project in Szechuan, Grand Canal they build for man benefit, with simple tools, with hundred to thousand power labor but nothing about blocking river mainstream!

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And your point is?

atoll80 said:

Chinese planner are chasing by dateline of their own agenda, they swear not gonna stop by anything even by good reason. This time China worried by clean energy matters, but in next future by how to get supply of good quality water.

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You missed the part about the annual floods that affects even more people.

solarz said:

So, clean energy benefits only the nation leaders and not the common people?

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and solar and wind energy is Not All-nice-no-downside either.

wind farm is sometimes objectionablly large for example.

and solar panel plants actually are energy intensive and its by-products are dirty/hazardous.

AND.

if you haven't notice the chinese "elites" has been pouring resources into solar and wind in recent years.

all to make his argument more hollow.

What are the by products from solar power?