Three gorges dam

I predict couple of years from now if a major flood season hit they would also blame it on the 3-gorge dam.

Also how much weather altering affect does coal burning thermo power plants have / given the equivalent amount of output.

you think by dumping all these CO2 and steam vapor into the atmosphere would not alter weather patterns?

The most possible cause of China's recent draught is the industralization of China. It causes water consumption to rise dramatically, which lowers the water table and consequently hardly anything gets evaporated into the atmosphere. The combined effect is draught.

Blaming the dam for preventing water from flowing downstream is utter nonsense. Excluding the effects of evaporation, once the reservoir is filled and the surrounding soil is saturated with water, the rate of water leaving the dam would be nearly the same as the rate of water going into the reservoir. Unless there is some transdimensional gateway on the bottom of the reservoir, water simply can't disappear thus the dam can't prevent water from flowing downstream.

If anything, the dam allows the local water table to rise, thereby preventing draught in the surrounding area. Those critics of the dam, specifically the ones from the West, already have their opinions formed -- Three Gorges Dam is a CPC's project, so it must be bad. They just grasp at anything to support their own bias.

The extremes in global weather patterns in recent years fit the expected effects global climate change.
Massive floods in Pakistan, Australia. Drought and heatwave in Europe and US, where even Moscow was choking in forest fire smoke last year.
Record drought in the Mekong region and Southern China last year. Record tornado season in the US. Record warm winter in Canada etc.
One has to be blind to not see the pattern in this global phenomenon and think a dam could have caused this.

With the number of bad things the TGD has been accused of possibly being able to do/cause over the decades, some had to stick through sheer blind luck.

A critical can make a million predictors of doom and gloom, but none of critics themselves are important enough for anyone to actually bother to keep track of all their ramblings, so all their predictions of doom and disaster that never pan out seldomly come back to bite them on the ass. But if even one of those 'predictions' comes true, you can be sure these critics will be telling everyone and their mother how they saw it coming!

Its just like that nutty US preacher predicting the end of the world. The only thing he did 'wrong' was set an actual date, so he looked like a mighty big tool when that day came and went. Still, that didn't stop him setting another revised date. Same kinda thing at work here.

plawolf said:

With the number of bad things the TGD has been accused of possibly being able to do/cause over the decades, some had to stick through sheer blind luck.

A critical can make a million predictors of doom and gloom, but none of critics themselves are important enough for anyone to actually bother to keep track of all their ramblings, so all their predictions of doom and disaster that never pan out seldomly come back to bite them on the ass. But if even one of those 'predictions' comes true, you can be sure these critics will be telling everyone and their mother how they saw it coming!

Its just like that nutty US preacher predicting the end of the world. The only thing he did 'wrong' was set an actual date, so he looked like a mighty big tool when that day came and went. Still, that didn't stop him setting another revised date. Same kinda thing at work here.

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u forget one more. it's also that no one cares about what they're saying, thats why they can say anything and get away with it. it's not an advantage..it's just merely a sign of not even earning the respect to receive a single ounce of attention...

Schumacher said:

The extremes in global weather patterns in recent years fit the expected effects global climate change.
Massive floods in Pakistan, Australia. Drought and heatwave in Europe and US, where even Moscow was choking in forest fire smoke last year.
Record drought in the Mekong region and Southern China last year. Record tornado season in the US. Record warm winter in Canada etc.
One has to be blind to not see the pattern in this global phenomenon and think a dam could have caused this.

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One has to blind to believe what you've said...unless you can show proofs and explain everything, other than give us 1 premise and 1 conclusion without explanation.

Engineer said:

The most possible cause of China's recent draught is the industralization of China. It causes water consumption to rise dramatically, which lowers the water table and consequently hardly anything gets evaporated into the atmosphere. The combined effect is draught.

Blaming the dam for preventing water from flowing downstream is utter nonsense. Excluding the effects of evaporation, once the reservoir is filled and the surrounding soil is saturated with water, the rate of water leaving the dam would be nearly the same as the rate of water going into the reservoir. Unless there is some transdimensional gateway on the bottom of the reservoir, water simply can't disappear thus the dam can't prevent water from flowing downstream.

If anything, the dam allows the local water table to rise, thereby preventing draught in the surrounding area. Those critics of the dam, specifically the ones from the West, already have their opinions formed -- Three Gorges Dam is a CPC's project, so it must be bad. They just grasp at anything to support their own bias.

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Drought is of course a measure of lack of rainfall rather than simply a water shortage. While some humidity is caused by evaporation of water on land, the vast majority of rain cloud is formed out to sea and blown on shore.

If China is suffering drought, then this is a meteorological effect which will primarily be caused by wind direction and other similar factors.
Last year of course China and the TGD were battling against some of the highest flood surges on record and the TGD was central to stopping major flooding in the lower Yangtze. As Peter Lee said in yesterdays ATOL, you can't blame the Dam for both flood and drought.

Why aren't these experts blaming the TGW for these disasters ? I mean, it's built by China..... Don't they know it's politically incorrect to talk about climate change in some countries ? LOL



June 6, 2011 3:27 PM
42 million displaced by natural disasters in 2010

OSLO, Norway - About 42 million people were forced to flee their homes because of natural disasters around the world in 2010, more than double the number during the previous year, experts said Monday.

One reason for the increase in the figure could be climate change, and the international community should be doing more to contain it, the experts said.

The Internal Displacement Monitoring Centre said the increase from 17 million displaced people in 2009 was mainly due to the impact of "mega-disasters" such as the massive floods in China and Pakistan and the earthquakes in Chile and Haiti.

It said more than 90 percent of the disaster displacements were caused by weather-related hazards such as floods and storms that were probably impacted by global warming, but it couldn't say to what extent.

"The intensity and frequency of extreme weather events is increasing, and this trend is only set to continue. With all probability, the number of those affected and displaced will rise as human-induced climate change comes into full force," said Elisabeth Rasmusson, the secretary general of the Norwegian Refugee Council.

The monitoring center and refugee council presented the report at an international conference about climate change and displacement in Oslo.

The number of people displaced last year — about 42 million — is roughly the size of Argentina's entire population, and the onslaught of natural disasters so far this year also has been grim.

The March 11 earthquake and tsunami in Japan left more than 10,000 people dead, some 17,500 missing and about a half-million homeless.

In the United States, tornadoes have wreaked havoc from Alabama to Massachusetts, while floods have inundated states from Montana to Louisiana. In the southwest Missouri city of Joplin, the U.S.'s deadliest tornado in six decades killed at least 141 people and destroyed more than 8,000 homes in a city of about 50,000 people.

Speaking at the Oslo conference, U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees Antonio Guterres called the issue of climate-related displacement "the defining challenge of our times" and criticized the international community for lacking the political will to reduce to pace of climate change.

"There is increasing evidence to suggest that natural disasters are growing in frequency and intensity and that this is linked to the longer-term process of climate change," Guterres said.
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solarz said:

That's some really flawed thinking right there. Just going along with the typical Western cliche.

No, the CCP administration doesn't admit flaws just because they become really serious. They acknowledge flaws when:

1- there is a public outcry about it
2- a faction tries to use said issues to oust another faction
3- they don't mind the flaws being public knowledge

As for the dam itself, some people are always willing to jump on whatever reason they can find to support their position, lack of evidence be damned.

The article itself states:

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Being rather selective about what to quote to support your point of view isn't it?

The article I posted talked about both the pros and cons of the 3 Gorges Dam. But it seems the negatives were conveniently ignored.

Question: If the project was so well thought out and managed, why the need to spend 124 billion yuan over the next 10 years to fix the problems? It's not as if the dam was just completed.