Thoughts on Shanghai

solarz

Brigadier
With the large numbers of political threads lately, I think it would be interesting to focus on culture for a change.

Not many people outside of China would know about cities like Chongqing, Hanzhou, Chengdu, or Zhenzhou, but mention Beijing or Shanghai, and everyone will know what you're talking about.

However, I can easily remember a time when few people has heard of Shanghai, and most people still spelled Beijing as "Pekin".

First, a bit of background. I was born in Shanghai in 1981, and left it in 1989. I've been back as a child in 1993, 1997, and 2002. As an adult, I've spent 4 months there in 2008, and had my wedding there in 2010. Shanghai is my hometown, and it has shaped a large part of my identity. All of my extended family still live there.

Where most people would think of glittering skyscrapers when Shanghai is mentioned, I would instead think of the old, blocky apartments where I spent my childhood. Those apartments are still there, and in fact I still stay in the old apartment where I grew up whenever I visit Shanghai. One of the most characteristic experiences I have of Shanghai is waking up in the morning to the sounds of bicycle rings, the occasional car honks, and the sing-song cry of street hawkers.

Shanghai has the best xiao-longbao in the world, and that is pretty much my top priority whenever I go to Shanghai. Unfortunately, things keep changing and I have to hunt down the best place for it time and time again. If anyone is familiar with Chinese food in China, you would probably know that the biggest, fanciest restaurants often don't have the best food. The beauty of Shanghai is that you can sit down in a dinky little restaurant stall no bigger than a closet, and taste the best xiao-longbao you've ever had. Eating in China, one always has to walk a fine line between deliciousness and hygiene.

The weather in Shanghai sucks, period. It's swelteringly hot in the summer, freezingly cold in the winter, and this is coming from a Canadian used to -40C weather. The problem with Shanghai winters is down to two factors: high humidity, and no heating in homes. The end result is that the one time I spent winter there (in 2008-2009), I felt as if the cold was permanently welded into my bones.

The best weather is in spring, around March-April. It quickly gets hot from May onwards, with over 40C temperatures in July/August. Since I mostly visit in the summer months, I often end up staying inside for days, where at least we have AC.

So these are my thoughts at the moment. I'm going back in a month, and I will see if I can report any new experiences.

If anyone else is familiar with Shanghai, please share. I would love to read about alternative views/experiences about the city.
 
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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Frankly I think the best food in general anywhere doesn't always come from the most notable of places. It's sort of like Crustacean restaurant in Beverly Hills. It gets a lot of attention but the same people who own Crustacean have another restaurant in LA that serves the same food and at a lower price but people still want to go to one in Beverly Hills.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
With the large numbers of political threads lately, I think it would be interesting to focus on culture for a change.

Not many people outside of China would know about cities like Chongqing, Hanzhou, Chengdu, or Zhenzhou, but mention Beijing or Shanghai, and everyone will know what you're talking about.

However, I can easily remember a time when few people has heard of Shanghai, and most people still spelled Beijing as "Pekin".

First, a bit of background. I was born in Shanghai in 1981, and left it in 1989. I've been back as a child in 1993, 1997, and 2002. As an adult, I've spent 4 months there in 2008, and had my wedding there in 2010. Shanghai is my hometown, and it has shaped a large part of my identity. All of my extended family still live there.

Where most people would think of glittering skyscrapers when Shanghai is mentioned, I would instead think of the old, blocky apartments where I spent my childhood. Those apartments are still there, and in fact I still stay in the old apartment where I grew up whenever I visit Shanghai. One of the most characteristic experiences I have of Shanghai is waking up in the morning to the sounds of bicycle rings, the occasional car honks, and the sing-song cry of street hawkers.

Shanghai has the best xiao-longbao in the world, and that is pretty much my top priority whenever I go to Shanghai. Unfortunately, things keep changing and I have to hunt down the best place for it time and time again. If anyone is familiar with Chinese food in China, you would probably know that the biggest, fanciest restaurants often don't have the best food. The beauty of Shanghai is that you can sit down in a dinky little restaurant stall no bigger than a closet, and taste the best xiao-longbao you've ever had. Eating in China, one always has to walk a fine line between deliciousness and hygiene.

The weather in Shanghai sucks, period. It's swelteringly hot in the summer, freezingly cold in the winter, and this is coming from a Canadian used to -40C weather. The problem with Shanghai winters is down to two factors: high humidity, and no heating in homes. The end result is that the one time I spent winter there (in 2008-2009), I felt as if the cold was permanently welded into my bones.

The best weather is in spring, around March-April. It quickly gets hot from May onwards, with over 40C temperatures in July/August. Since I mostly visit in the summer months, I often end up staying inside for days, where at least we have AC.

So these are my thoughts at the moment. I'm going back in a month, and I will see if I can report any new experiences.

If anyone else is familiar with Shanghai, please share. I would love to read about alternative views/experiences about the city.

Shanghai sounds like Houston in summer. Sweltering heat and humidity for 5 months or more of the year.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Alright, so I'm back from my trip to China. Shanghai was as humid as ever, though thankfully not as hot as it is during the summer. Unfortunately, I only had 3 days to spend in Shanghai, so I didn't get to do much.

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What people do on the National Day


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View from my hotel room at around 6am


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A typical shopping district in suburban Shanghai


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A posh shopping district in urban Shanghai



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The People's Square


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solarz

Brigadier
As you can see from the pictures, Shanghai does have days of clear blue sky. I also did not notice any difference between the air in Shanghai compared to the air in Toronto.

Perhaps my memory is a bit skewed, but Shanghai feels far greener this time around than it did in 2010. This might be explained by the fact that there is now far less construction going on. All the major highways and subways have been built, although there are still some expansions.

This is possibly the first time since 1993 that I have not seen major changes in the city. Even my 2010 trip saw a lot of changes compared to my 2008 trip, owing to the World Expo constructions.

All in all, Shanghai feels like a city that has settled down and starting to enjoy itself.
 

xiabonan

Junior Member
SH has led the way in terms of infrastructure/hardware construction, now that the SH Free Trade Zone is up and running and developing, though still in its early stages, it's now the time for SH to lead the way in terms of software building.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
SH has led the way in terms of infrastructure/hardware construction, now that the SH Free Trade Zone is up and running and developing, though still in its early stages, it's now the time for SH to lead the way in terms of software building.

I thought Shenzhen is the Silicon Valley of China?:confused:
 

vesicles

Colonel
Solarz, I have a similar experience, except I was born in Beijing. Left China and came to the States a couple years after you did. I guess SH people have a "unique" reputation, being financially conscious. So much so that people from elsewhere in China believe that SH people would be willing to take advantage of others for financial gain. My parents felt this way when I told them some of my neighbors were SH when I started college. They warned me about how "smart" SH people tend to be and told me not to interact with them too much so that I would not have to be taken advantage of. Well, it turned out that these SH neighbors of mine are the nicest people and some of the most generous people that I have ever known. I practically spent half of the time in college in their dorms, eating their food, watching their cable and even driving their cars some times. As they are all much older than me (most of them came to the US to go to graduate school while I was still in college), they took care of me like I was their little brother. Even nowadays when we meet and go to dinner, they still insist on paying. Even though I keep telling them that I am a professor now and make a decent living and should pay for the meal at least every once in a while, they would not take it. They insist that I am still their little brother and they cannot let me pay... Just shows how wrong stereotyping is...

I have been back to China 3 times since I left, 2000, 2012 and 2014. The first time, we went back to attend a cousin's wedding in Beijing. The last 2 times, it was to attend a conference near Shanghai. So I had been to Shanghai the both times. In fact, I just got back 2 weeks ago. Especially in 2012, several colleagues of mine and I spent a day in Shanghai doing sightseeing after the conference. Weather has been amazing both times. Perhaps because I've been living in Houston for the past 23 years and have been used to the 99-100% humidity, I actually felt Shanghai was kinda dry. So dry air, cool temp and a little breeze.. Perfection! The Bund was breath-taking and spectacular! Food was amazing too, except that we all got sick the next day. A couple of my colleagues are MDs. So we had endless supply of antibiotics, which is a good thing...

One complaint though. What the heck is going on with the bathrooms in those hotels??? All the hotels that I have been to this past 2 times that I was in China (2012 and 2014) all have completely transparent bathrooms!!! I am not talking about having a little window or a glass door. NO No No! I am talking about all the walls of the bathrooms being glass. So no matter where you sit in the hotel room, you would have a complete view of the entire bathroom, the sink, toilet, the tub and all!?!?!? The hotel we stayed at in Beijing a couple weeks ago is even more extreme. They actually decided NOT to have a door for their bathrooms. I mean, what the heck??? It's less of a problem for a couple, but it would become very inconvenient for a family with kids to stay in such hotel. even though we all had our own rooms, it was till kind of weird taking a shower in a glass-walled bathroom... It was kind of nice that I can continue watching TV while sitting on the toilet... Is this a new trend?
 
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Blackstone

Brigadier
With the large numbers of political threads lately, I think it would be interesting to focus on culture for a change.

Not many people outside of China would know about cities like Chongqing, Hanzhou, Chengdu, or Zhenzhou, but mention Beijing or Shanghai, and everyone will know what you're talking about.

However, I can easily remember a time when few people has heard of Shanghai, and most people still spelled Beijing as "Pekin".

First, a bit of background. I was born in Shanghai in 1981, and left it in 1989. I've been back as a child in 1993, 1997, and 2002. As an adult, I've spent 4 months there in 2008, and had my wedding there in 2010. Shanghai is my hometown, and it has shaped a large part of my identity. All of my extended family still live there.

Where most people would think of glittering skyscrapers when Shanghai is mentioned, I would instead think of the old, blocky apartments where I spent my childhood. Those apartments are still there, and in fact I still stay in the old apartment where I grew up whenever I visit Shanghai. One of the most characteristic experiences I have of Shanghai is waking up in the morning to the sounds of bicycle rings, the occasional car honks, and the sing-song cry of street hawkers.

Shanghai has the best xiao-longbao in the world, and that is pretty much my top priority whenever I go to Shanghai. Unfortunately, things keep changing and I have to hunt down the best place for it time and time again. If anyone is familiar with Chinese food in China, you would probably know that the biggest, fanciest restaurants often don't have the best food. The beauty of Shanghai is that you can sit down in a dinky little restaurant stall no bigger than a closet, and taste the best xiao-longbao you've ever had. Eating in China, one always has to walk a fine line between deliciousness and hygiene.

The weather in Shanghai sucks, period. It's swelteringly hot in the summer, freezingly cold in the winter, and this is coming from a Canadian used to -40C weather. The problem with Shanghai winters is down to two factors: high humidity, and no heating in homes. The end result is that the one time I spent winter there (in 2008-2009), I felt as if the cold was permanently welded into my bones.

The best weather is in spring, around March-April. It quickly gets hot from May onwards, with over 40C temperatures in July/August. Since I mostly visit in the summer months, I often end up staying inside for days, where at least we have AC.

So these are my thoughts at the moment. I'm going back in a month, and I will see if I can report any new experiences.

If anyone else is familiar with Shanghai, please share. I would love to read about alternative views/experiences about the city.

As you know, the very words Shang Hai means 'on the sea' from the Song Dynasty, and the ancient seaport was one of the few opened to Westerners in their imperialist days. It's also one of the most well-known Chinese cities in the world. Beijing is a recent term in Western lexicon, as it was known as Peking and Peping before that. The proper pronunciation of Beijing only became vogue after Deng Xiaoping reopened China to the world, and China regained some of her wealth and power.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Solarz, I have a similar experience, except I was born in Beijing. Left China and came to the States a couple years after you did. I guess SH people have a "unique" reputation, being financially conscious. So much so that people from elsewhere in China believe that SH people would be willing to take advantage of others for financial gain. My parents felt this way when I told them some of my neighbors were SH when I started college. They warned me about how "smart" SH people tend to be and told me not to interact with them too much so that I would not have to be taken advantage of. Well, it turned out that these SH neighbors of mine are the nicest people and some of the most generous people that I have ever known. I practically spent half of the time in college in their dorms, eating their food, watching their cable and even driving their cars some times. As they are all much older than me (most of them came to the US to go to graduate school while I was still in college), they took care of me like I was their little brother. Even nowadays when we meet and go to dinner, they still insist on paying. Even though I keep telling them that I am a professor now and make a decent living and should pay for the meal at least every once in a while, they would not take it. They insist that I am still their little brother and they cannot let me pay... Just shows how wrong stereotyping is...

I have been back to China 3 times since I left, 2000, 2012 and 2014. The first time, we went back to attend a cousin's wedding in Beijing. The last 2 times, it was to attend a conference near Shanghai. So I had been to Shanghai the both times. In fact, I just got back 2 weeks ago. Especially in 2012, several colleagues of mine and I spent a day in Shanghai doing sightseeing after the conference. Weather has been amazing both times. Perhaps because I've been living in Houston for the past 23 years and have been used to the 99-100% humidity, I actually felt Shanghai was kinda dry. So dry air, cool temp and a little breeze.. Perfection! The Bund was breath-taking and spectacular! Food was amazing too, except that we all got sick the next day. A couple of my colleagues are MDs. So we had endless supply of antibiotics, which is a good thing...

One complaint though. What the heck is going on with the bathrooms in those hotels??? All the hotels that I have been to this past 2 times that I was in China (2012 and 2014) all have completely transparent bathrooms!!! I am not talking about having a little window or a glass door. NO No No! I am talking about all the walls of the bathrooms being glass. So no matter where you sit in the hotel room, you would have a complete view of the entire bathroom, the sink, toilet, the tub and all!?!?!? The hotel we stayed at in Beijing a couple weeks ago is even more extreme. They actually decided NOT to have a door for their bathrooms. I mean, what the heck??? It's less of a problem for a couple, but it would become very inconvenient for a family with kids to stay in such hotel. even though we all had our own rooms, it was till kind of weird taking a shower in a glass-walled bathroom... It was kind of nice that I can continue watching TV while sitting on the toilet... Is this a new trend?


They ran out of building materials for the interiors perhaps, therefore have to compromise with the working schedule, inspection, and so forth?
 
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