The World's 4th, 4.5 & 5th Generation Fighters

RedMercury

Junior Member
Re: Russian fifth generation fighter

四代机: 4th gen fighter:

中国的四代重歼就是歼14,编号没错!
The Chinese heavy 4th generation fighter is designated J-14.

但网上说它的综合性能匹敌F22,这是夸大的!
People on the net say its overall ability matches the F-22, but this is exaggeration.

歼14设计定型并试飞。
Since the J-14 design has been finalized and has already flown,

其综合性能不及F22已经是肯定的了!
its overall inferiority to the F-22 is already confirmed.

歼14的真实目标其实F35!歼14不会大量装备部队也已经基本确定!它是用来外销的就像目前的枭龙!
The real goal of J-14 is the F35. That J-14 will not be deployed in large numbers is also basically confirmed. It is for export, just like the JF17.

《简氏》有篇文章是说歼14将飞遍的天空(可以查的到的)就是说歼14主要外销的事的!
This comes from an article in 《简氏》 which states the J-14 will be "ubiquitous".

(我并非在促销《简氏》但它的很多关于中国武器的报道惊人的准确。这一点已经引起了中国军方高度重视)
I'm not promoting 《简氏》 but their predictions have been shockingly accurate in the past, which has already gained the attention of Chinese authorities.

F35不是将大量装备美国的盟友吗?
Isn't the F35 going to be deployed on a large scale by the US' allies?

那么歼14就是中国的对!
J-14 is thus the Chinese counter.

而且歼14做为准四代重歼,极具市场竞争力!
And the J-14, being a 4th gen heavy fighter, will be competitive in the market.

虽然歼14单机不如F22,但大家也不必担忧。在中国的地面上,地空配合是可以打下F22的。
Though the J-14 is not as good as the F22, everyone can relax. Over Chinese territory, ground-air coordination can bring down the F22.

中国真正的最强悍战机并非歼14,是另一款已经设计定型的飞机歼X(编号涉密)。
The best Chinese figher isn't the J-14, but another design-finalized plane, the J-X.

该机的所有参数我想大家都很难猜到。
I think everyone would have a hard time guessing the characteristics of this plane.

歼14、歼X都已经设计定型并且试飞!中国在三代向四代的跨越有点像原子弹向氢弹的跨越,速度超快!
J-14 and J-X have both finalized design and flown. The Chinese leap from 3rd gen to 4th gen has been extremely fast, like leap from the fission to fusion nuclear weapons.

不要怀疑这一点!比如歼10,曝光前四年就已经装备部队了!而它的曝光所透漏的信息就是:歼10并非我国最强战机(要不然我们也不会曝光),它的下一代已经完成设计并生产了!
Don't doubt this. For example, the J-10 was in service 4 years before it was pubically revealed. And the relevation during its public debute was that the J-10 is no longer the best fighter China had, or else it would not have been publicized. The next generation had already been designed and manufactured.
 
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Harley-One

Banned Idiot
Re: Russian fifth generation fighter

:p:p:p

四代机: 4th gen fighter:

中国的四代重歼就是歼14,编号没错!
The Chinese heavy 4th generation fighter is designated J-14.

Thanks, Mercury. Now your ass is in the line, not mind :D. But inarguably a perfect and true translate down to the very last word... :china:

《简氏》
Be more specific. 《简氏》 translates into 《Jane's》 or JDW. If we don't specify it, people'll crap us.


该机的所有参数我想大家都很难猜到。
I think everyone would have a hard time guessing the characteristics of this plane.

I'm speculating our JX is very very similar technologically as Boeing's X-45:

300px-Boeing_X-45A_UCAV.jpg


I mean what better than a bunch of super geeks sitting behind a bunch of air combat consuls from behind the safety of super protected shelters manning their joy sticks and dueling it out in the air instead of a fighter pilot with his life on the line trying to evade an AA Missile... I think that is where everyone is covertly headed in the jet fighter realm...

Just my two cents :coffee::coffee::coffee:
 

RedMercury

Junior Member
Re: Russian fifth generation fighter

Ah, Jane's, no wonder it was nonsensical in Chinese.

High quality human translation costs a lot of money. If people don't like what I do for free, I'll take my toys and go to another forum.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
Re: Russian fifth generation fighter

If people don't like what I do for free, I'll take my toys and go to another forum.

I for one truly appreciate your ability to translate these type of articles. Because that google translator from Chinese to English sucks..big time.

I hope you remain a regular visiting/posting ember of this forum.

Thanks again!:)
 

Harley-One

Banned Idiot
Re: Russian fifth generation fighter

Sorry ... ut What's the source for that !??

IMO just another fan-boys wet-dream ... :rofl:

Deino

Sorry to say Deino, but...

You've definitely been fed too much baby formulas which comes right out of a can with the trade-mark AFM/Keyboard imprinted in it :eek: and, likely fed you in an AFM silver spoon by none other than SOC in the person because he loves the modest Chinese sentiments which you represent... :D:D:D...

I mean with these things, you must look for indicators and the indicators, my opinion, are 1) the numero 01; 2) the protrusions in the fuselage; and 3) the pic take from a window [suggests it's intentional leakage from within China's flight test center] because it's the Chinese way of doing things meaning: they love to create intrigue and mystery...

I mean don't forget: way back, during the 90's and the early 2000/2001 era, or on the very onsets of the speculations of the J-10; of the JH-7A; the FTC-2000; the JL-15; the 039 Yuan and the 093/4; the DF-31A & thye JL-2; the DF-21A; the ASAT, never mind our ABM shock and awes; everything uploaed in the net was deemed as no more but a mere fragment of the Chinese net citizen's p*nis *nvy imagination and/or all were classified as photoshops...

even the latest J-10B air intake job was boasted as a photoshop when it first appeared in the net...

The pic I had uploaded here had been around for about a year, Deino. if something was fake about it, it will have already been proven as such. Now, I'm not suggesting this is the Real MacCoy, but I do see this as a testbed of sort of some 4th generation technology much as how the weird looking chin-intake J-7sf was developed as a testbed for the FC-1/JF-17/Super-7 project...

Believe in yourself and in your own ability to analyst with deductive logic, Deino, and not in what those who rejects things simply because it have the label Chinese attached to it.

I mean Golly, practically everything we have out there today was initially rejected in the net as mere figments of Chinese imaginations or photoshops. I mean is that all that being Chinese is worth these days? Photoshopped works of art???

BELIEVE, Deino! You did when i told you about this!
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And we will have seen that become a reality if it weren't for the Cultural Revolution...


china:
 
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Deino

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Re: Russian fifth generation fighter

Sorry to say Deino, but...

You've definitely been fed too much baby formulas which comes right out of a can with the trade-mark AFM/Keyboard imprinted in it :eek: and, likely fed you in an AFM silver spoon by none other than SOC in the person because he loves the modest Chinese sentiments which you represent... :D:D:D...

Actually I don’t think so … any maybe You missed that I’m normally known to be very enthusiastic about such news … but that doesn’t mean that I believe everything, esp. without a given source.

I mean with these things, you must look for indicators and the indicators, my opinion, are 1) the numero 01; 2) the protrusions in the fuselage; and 3) the pic take from a window [suggests it's intentional leakage from within China's flight test center] because it's the Chinese way of doing things meaning: they love to create intrigue and mystery...

Here I completely agree with You …. But right as You said ! “intrigue and mystery” doesn’t mean everything what’s written is correct.

Regarding both pictures I honestly have to admit that I’ve missed both … and now they are no longer visible. Maybe You could re-post them so that I can make my own opinion; PLEASE !??!

I mean don't forget: way back, during the 90's and the early 2000/2001 era, or on the very onsets of the speculations of the J-10; of the JH-7A; the FTC-2000; the JL-15; the 039 Yuan and the 093/4; the DF-31A & thye JL-2; the DF-21A; the ASAT, never mind our ABM shock and awes; everything uploaed in the net was deemed as no more but a mere fragment of the Chinese net citizen's p*nis *nvy imagination and/or all were classified as photoshops...

even the latest J-10B air intake job was boasted as a photoshop when it first appeared in the net...

Yes … but again not a proof that everything phantastic is real.

The pic I had uploaded here had been around for about a year, Deino. if something was fake about it, it will have already been proven as such. Now, I'm not suggesting this is the Real MacCoy, but I do see this as a testbed of sort of some 4th generation technology much as how the weird looking chin-intake J-7sf was developed as a testbed for the FC-1/JF-17/Super-7 project...

Believe in yourself and in your own ability to analyst with deductive logic, Deino, and not in what those who rejects things simply because it have the label Chinese attached to it.

Agreed, but as said, I don’t know that picture so PLEASE upload it again so that I can judge myself.



I mean Golly, practically everything we have out there today was initially rejected in the net as mere figments of Chinese imaginations or photoshops. I mean is that all that being Chinese is worth these days? Photoshopped works of art???

BELIEVE, Deino! You did when i told you about this!
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And we will have seen that become a reality if it weren't for the Cultural Revolution...
china:[/QUOTE]


Maybe I misunderstood Your last reply, but WHEN did I believe this to be true. I know this artwork and actually if You the time when it was done, You would know that then in the West China was really something of a “intrigue and mystery” regarding aviation projects, even more than the first artificial attempts to “draw” a picture of the Russian MiG-29, the Su-27, the Tu-160, …. .
This drawing is just a product of its time, nothing more.

But again PLAESE re-post these two pictures and then I can decide on my own.

Deino ;)
 

Deino

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Re: Russian fifth generation fighter

Just found it ... SORRY !!! But every blind man can see that is is a fakeed one and actually not even a good one.

If this would be real, then what about this ?

Deino
 

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Twix101

Junior Member
Re: Russian fifth generation fighter

Just found it ... SORRY !!! But every blind man can see that is is a fakeed one and actually not even a good one.

If this would be real, then what about this ?

Deino

Looks like this plane is flying on a planet with 2 different suns ! :p
 

Harley-One

Banned Idiot
Re: Russian fifth generation fighter

Just found it ... SORRY !!! But every blind man can see that is is a fakeed one and actually not even a good one.

If this would be real, then what about this ?

Deino

Pic you just uploaded:

When that pic was first uploaded in the Internet, it was clearly stated in black and white that it's no more but a piece of CG art work by some Chinese aeronautic enthusiasts in China. No one ever claim it as authentic or as the Real McCoy.

That said, I'm not saying you are not entitled to your opinions. You have every rights to believe what you will. I'm not here to refute your claims that it's a fake either. However, just as how [none believers] in the net simply snubbed us Chinese when some of us uploaded pics of the J-10(B) when it first debuted in the Internet and how these people adamantly branded it as no more but some sort of Chinese p*nis *nvy photoshopped work of art, I'll bet the pic I uploaded will also prove all of you wrong.

Words had been circulating in the Internet for some times now (since 2005) that the J-14 has been seen undergoing tests in China's flight test center and, I wouldn't be surprised that the pic we are seeing is in fact an intentional leakage of a testbed of sort for the testing of the the aerodynamics of the J-14.
 
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