The War in the Ukraine

tankphobia

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If Moscow called even 15% of Russia's ~23 million males aged 18-44 to active service, that would be a dramatic escalation from current force levels. Of course there are issues in terms of how fast you can scale but, given Russia's obvious dearth of manpower, and how poorly the conflict has been going to date, Occam's Razor suggests that the most likely reason Moscow has not drastically increased its force commitment to Ukraine is because the present regime would not survive an attempt to do so.
With all the news regarding how much trouble Russia is having with mobilization, it's doubtful they'll be able to arm and supply that many men in the first place. It would make more sense to partially mobilize the economy for war production instead.
 

sndef888

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Has anything strategically changed since the mobilisation? Or is it still the same small scale skirmishes and artillery bombardment every day?

Seems like a huge cost to pay for not much change on the battlefield. The 1 million young males leaving is going to hurt the Russian economy
 

sheogorath

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Captured Ukranian MRAP

Sorry to dig up old posts, but what if Ukrainians somehow get their hands on export Chinese 105mm APFSDS or HEAT via Pakistan? They could be a threat to any Russian vehicle short of T-90, right? And this could be a very realistic scenario since Pakistan is already supplying Ukraine with arms.
The L7 doesnt have enough power to penetrate anything beyond a T-62, regardless of the APFSDS it gets. At least on the frontal arc.

Only sides and back.
 

B777LR

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The L7 doesnt have enough power to penetrate anything beyond a T-62, regardless of the APFSDS it gets. At least on the frontal arc.

Only sides and back.

I think you are underestimating the 105 mm L7. In late in the cold war, plenty of NATO tanks were expected to deal with stuff newer than the T-62 with the L7 and other 105 mm guns. The Leopard 1 series, M48/M60 family, Centurions, AMX-30 and early M1s. Even wheeled tank destroyers like the AMX-10RC and Centauro were developed to defeat T-72s with 105 mm guns. It won't be as reliable as a 120 mm or 125 mm gun, but this isn't World of Tanks either.
 

Heliox

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The purpose of the loitering drone is autonomous. If you need a human in the loop, the datalink would be constrained by the radar horizon and the low flight of the drone itself. The operator would have to be on an aircraft or require a drone to relay the datalink. A relay drone isn't something I would expect of an Orlan 10.

The observing drone is likely the target spotter, which tells the station to send the second and attacking drone to this coordinates. The observation drone and the attacking drones camera will only be used for target kill confirmation. It's not likely you will need PC level chipsets. Point and shoot cameras are capable of face ID.

"A relay drone isn't something I would expect of an Orlan 10"

But a relay drone is exactly what an Orlan 10 is capable of and sold as a package of (due to it's swappable mission modules).


"If you need a human in the loop, the datalink would be constrained by the radar horizon and the low flight of the drone itself.
*snip*
The observing drone is likely the target spotter, which tells the station to send the second and attacking drone to this coordinates"


An attack/suicide drone (eg. Switchblade, Lancet, et al) doesn't fly fast - about 110 - 150kmph. Sending an attack drone 10km to prosecute a target of opportunity already incurs a time lag of 4~6minutes (ToF) during which a vehicular target can easily displace a few km.

If you are sending targeting info to the attack drone while it is already in the air to adjust that, then it implies you pretty much already have the ability to have man-in-the-loop operation of the attack drone anyway.

Flying low and slow with man-in-the-loop is what exactly makes these attack drones cheap and able to be used in numbers rather than only for targets of value. The tech for a man-in-the loop drone is essentially the same as that for any basic drone - secure datalink. An autonomous attack drone capable of searching a grid for the displaced target will involve more complicated electronics that will add significantly to it's per unit cost.

In this day and age, LOS and radar horizon is hardly a limiting factor for large tactical UAVs. As the Orlan 10 demonstrates, a simple relay drone within the family can greatly extend your reach out to a strategic depth.

There is a time and place for autonomous munitions.
There is also a time and place for non-autonomous munitions.
Why limit yourself to one when you can have both?
 
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