The War in the Ukraine

FairAndUnbiased

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4Runner said:
Reading play by play in this new thread, it downed on me that it was not entirely red herring when US started propaganda against alleged China's military (material) aid to Russia. It was a pre-emptive political move, for reasons that are manifesting in the battle fields.

One of the biggest material weakness of the Russian armed forces in Ukraine is contactless modern warfare, which is conducted under the material conditions of intelligent weapons and C4ISR in a networked battleground.

UAVs, smart missiles, robotic fighting machines, real-time sensor and communication networks, etc., are the names of the warfare from now on.

Tanks, guns, helicopters etc. are too slow and too vulnerable on the battle fields.

Video game players are as important as foot soldiers.

In this new paradigm of battleground warfare, US and China are the only two major armed forces that have the whole portfolio of elements as well as their production bases. US and China are also the only two countries that can afford deploying and supplying and sustaining this type of new warfare.

One result of this analysis is that Russia does not have conventional wherewithals to march further beyond the Dnieper River. I think Russia will stop after dismembering the remaining Ukraine army in the east. And I doubt Russia can take out Odessa without significant losses and punishing costs.

Therefore, in terms of the battlefield spacing, it may be approaching a balancing point. But it certainly does not mean that the war will end any time soon. It will go back and force along the current frontlines for a long time.

The underlying assumption is that US keeps supplying Ukraine and China does not provide those needed elements to Russia.
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Russia is using its own drones for artillery observation and laser guidance which is a great use, as it can bring down volumes of firepower far greater than carried by an armed drone and increases the lethality of even old artillery. Using scout drones rather than armed drones is a better use of their resources. Unlike the common narrative, Ukraine is basically 穷兵黩武, it has mortgaged its entire economic future on buying weapons for this war and most normal economic activity in Ukraine has stopped. Russia still has an economy working as normal and it can afford to use the most economical means of waging war, rather than throwing everything in.

Russia is actually fighting against what is essentially the entire US/NATO command/intel/recon network, only the actual infantry and tanks are Ukrainian, everything else is US/NATO. Ukraine alone is 1/4 the population of Russia and 1/8 the GDP, this is like WW2 US vs. Imperial Japan, not US vs. Iraq.

The other part is that helicopters are actually dominating. Most of the helicopters shot down are soft transport helicopters like Mi-8s, Ka-52s are doing very well.

I'd say that real time sensor networks and communications security are the #1 priority. As for UAVs, scout UAVs form part of the real time sensor network and are #1, as proven.
 
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james smith esq said:
Shouldn’t this thread be called “Russian Cheerleaders Thread” I have suspicions that this is what it’s intended to be! It’s nothing but the worst of the previous Ukraine war thread! Even the posts of the multiple account holding drone salesman was better than this wishful-thinkers forum! No wonder it’s nowhere near as active as that one was; like Deino, I’m out of this mutual ass-kissers’ thread!
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why should we cheer lead for a losing team? you sound like you are losing a bet.
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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SinoSoldier said:
Just like how China lost its incursion into Vietnam, Russia will lose this war. It may take months or even a few years for that to happen, given the propensity of Russia to throw its men into the fray, but it will happen.
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China didn't lose. China killed far more Vietnamese and destroyed far more of their infrastructure than the opposite.

Russia is doing the same. Russia is inflicting far more casualties on Ukrainian lives and infrastructure than the opposite.
 
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anzha said:
1. The Russians are grinding forward in the Donbass. I half expect by the end of next week to hear of the fall of Severodonetsk.
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Doubtful, If Ukraine decided to continue to throw more bodies to defend Severodonetsk, then I would expect weeks not a week.
anzha said:
2. My question about the Ukrainians aiming for the railways has been echoed online by others. If this is true - I stress the if - then Ukraine is and has been fighting a rather different war than the Russians. The Ukrainians have been fighting a logistics war rather than a territorial one. If the Ukrainians take the rail heads, then Russian logistics get that much harder. If.
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If Ukraine were fighting a logistic war, then it would have pulled back from Severodonetsk weeks ago. Fighting in Donbas especially in the area that border Russia is just making things easy for Russian military.

I see Ukraine as fighting a propaganda war. Every decision is for propaganda purpose such as Azov in Mariupol that should have surrendered weeks ago or the meaningless snake island assault. Ukraine prevailed in Kiev did give them a big moral boost. However, we just doesn't know what is the cost of many PR victories especially in Donbas. If such PR victories have killing ratio 1:1 or even 2:1, then Russia would eventually bleed out unless mobilized.
anzha said:
3. The ground appears to be drying. It will be "interesting" to see how combat changes as a result.

4. Sumy, Kiev, Chernihiv, and... now Kharkov? Those were and are just feints, right?
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No points of holding these territories when Russia failed its Plan A of quickly capture or encircle Kiev. It is a wise decision even though maybe a humiliated decision and at the cost of moral but complete pull out from these terriorites mean Russian military command is still rational and pragmatic. As for Kharkiv, Russia has stationed over 20 BTGs over the Russian border. Which means that Russia decided it is not going to waste its resources to stop Ukrainians from gaining territories near Kharkiv.
anzha said:
This war will not be over quickly. I don't think there are any clear ways for either side to win at this point. Two of the most proud and stubborn cultures in the world that I know of are at war.

People here keep saying The West is willing to fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian. Again, I wildly dispute that: the Ukrainians are defending their homes. If they didn't want to fight, there would be little to no war despite being supplied by the West: see Afghanistan.
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There are hundred thousands Ukrainians fighting under Russian flag. At least in Donbas and Crimea, many Ukrainians in these areas hate the government in Kiev more than they hate Russia. It is true that many Ukrainians are defending Ukraine from Russia but there are quick significant portion of Ukrainians that think otherwise.
anzha said:
On a personal note, the family has been brought out of Europe and is now here. They are...adapting, but alive. This is the second time they have lost everything in a decade, but they are alive and so long as they are, they can rebuild their lives.

PS: I was asked if anyone had heard of Ukrainians being mobilized from abroad. So far, none of my friends have heard of that or received any messages to that affect.
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Best of luck.
 
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You can also say the West has the ability to stop hunger around the world but since they're not doing it, it must mean they're heartless evil people. That's what these kinds of stunts do. It's like how the West setups China claiming it's assisting Russia by buying their oil and thus funding their war in Ukraine but the EU isn't stopping their purchasing of Russian energy, their number one business, that's changed from the end of this month to now until the end of the year yet somehow their purchases aren't being spent on funding Russia's war. That's why they're relegated to these micro requests so that the West doesn't look like a hypocrite. Yeah the US can save those people by entering the war. You don't need China.
 
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This thread got derailed with the Russia-NATO talk again. Let me just state the obvious since sometimes that's the first thing people forget: the outcome of war doesn't just depend on weapons and technology. It also depends on logistics, numbers, politics, geography, weather, disease, and a million other factors. The odds of Russia reaching the French border considering all these factors are about as high as the odds of me getting pregnant. That's the last I'll say on that.

There was very little movement today. One interesting thing to note is that I've started to see reports of fighting around Huilaipole and Velyka Novosilka again. Details are scant, but it does look like the Russians are trying to push across the southern front and that they haven't abandoned offensive operations there. Otherwise it's the same old story: Severodonetsk is the main target for next week. I suspect it will take at least two weeks to fall, given the grinding and methodical pace of the Russians. Of course, the Ukrainians could do something intelligent and withdraw to save thousands of lives. But we all know they're not going to do that!
 
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gelgoog said:
To me the main issue Russia has had thus far in terms of equipment is the lack of spotter and attack drones and integrated kill chain.
The artillery also needs to be beefed up. Once Western artillery becomes more relevant in theater only the latest Russian artillery can compete with it in range. And there are not that many units of it. A lot of existing artillery is ongoing upgrades to increase its digitization but that by itself is probably not going to be enough.
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It seems neither side has very effective anti-artillery system such as counter-battery radar in this war.
 
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anzha said:
Fighting definitely doesn't sound like what happened in 2014, that's for sure. The video is interesting and ... odd:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1525556432959070208
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What are they shooting at?
The angle implies someone higher than them perhaps an forward observer pos
The fact he hurled a grenade implies the enemy was very close.
The artillery or tanks rounds are landing very close to them.
Wouldn't that imply the enemy soldiers are further back and not in the area the shells are exploding?
 
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SinoSoldier said:
Just like how China lost its incursion into Vietnam, Russia will lose this war. It may take months or even a few years for that to happen, given the propensity of Russia to throw its men into the fray, but it will happen.
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If Vietnam won over China it surely was a PATHETIC Victory.
Vietnam did well but to conclude China lost is far fetched.

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" To date, neither Hanoi nor Beijing has disclosed the exact details of the border agreement or a new official map. In a single interview with state media, a Vietnamese deputy foreign minister responsible for the negotiations downplayed Vietnam’s loss of major cultural landmarks, including the Ai Nam gate and the Ban Gioc waterfall.

He rejected accusations on blogs and overseas websites that his government ceded territory by arguing that the government managed to keep most of the Tuc Lam River bank - despite the fact that according to historical maps the entire area had once belonged to Vietnam.
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US MSM brainwashing propaganda STRONK !!!
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Bellum_Romanum said:
The disinformation, misinformation war against Russia and Putin is just wild. I remember not too long ago where the same media morons where pumping news after news reports about the supposed death or mortal illness of Kim Jung-un and when the man reanimated back into the living the media and the public couldn't believe what their lying eyes were seeing.
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