The War in the Ukraine

Tam

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Geez. our media NEEDS a real defense reporter.. I noticed Tribun and other news outlet here use bombastic titles. The purpose is evident.. but it's very shitty in terms of education and informational purpose.

The radar is not AN/TPQ series but ST-68U/36D6 "Tin Shield radar"


I guess they hit hard limit in how much dakka they can load to 15K USD Aliexpress drones.

What took them so long i wonder ? They can just buy more Turkish drones which AFAIK there is suicide variant similar as Harop.

Turkish drones are limited in capability thanks to relying on commercial Aliexpress-Radio Shack electronics because of Western sanctions against Turkey, thanks to Turkish use of the Bayraktars against the Kurds. So there is a bit of a circular irony on this.
 

Temstar

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Recall what I said about Shahed-136 being so useful because it fills in a missing middle band in the Russian arsenal. Here's someone else coming to the same conclusion:


I did want to say something about Polonez but couldn't fit it in. Polonez would be a lot of help to the Russians because of it's unique capabilities and the fact that it would seem within possibility for Russians to get their hands on.

Really what Russians need is a Tochka or Luna-M type weapon, but instead of your typical rubbish accuracy with cold war era inertial guidance or even no guidance at all with Luna-M fit some simple guidance package to the tip. Hell in this day and age even North Korea have all of its 300mm+ rocket artillery rounds being guided because when you're firing ordinance at that range unguided or simple inertial guidance is just a waste of ammo. Iskander is great but it's just too expensive to be used in large numbers.
 

Minm

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Recall what I said about Shahed-136 being so useful because it fills in a missing middle band in the Russian arsenal. Here's someone else coming to the same conclusion:


I did want to say something about Polonez but couldn't fit it in. Polonez would be a lot of help to the Russians because of it's unique capabilities and the fact that it would seem within possibility for Russians to get their hands on.

Really what Russians need is a Tochka or Luna-M type weapon, but instead of your typical rubbish accuracy with cold war era inertial guidance or even no guidance at all with Luna-M fit some simple guidance package to the tip. Hell in this day and age even North Korea have all of its 300mm+ rocket artillery rounds being guided because when you're firing ordinance at that range unguided or simple inertial guidance is just a waste of ammo. Iskander is great but it's just too expensive to be used in large numbers.
Shahed 136 is great, but only against stationary targets so far. It would be even better if it could be used tactically against individual howitzers or vehicles like the Israeli Harop drone. Maybe the Iranian advisors are going to teach the Russians how to use them even more effectively, but as long as it only destroys buildings it's not going to change the war. The Shahed 136 is also too slow to hit individual groups of soldiers like in the footage we've seen from Armenia/Azerbaijan because people can disperse in time when they hear it approach.

Maybe the new drones like the Arash2 is going to enable that capability, but I'd say Shahed 136 is not a gamechanger, it just soaks up Ukrainian air defence and damages their infrastructure. Something like Harop would actually change things at the frontlines by killing Ukrainian soldiers.
 

B777LR

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I guess they hit hard limit in how much dakka they can load to 15K USD Aliexpress drones.

What took them so long i wonder ? They can just buy more Turkish drones which AFAIK there is suicide variant similar as Harop.

Turkish drones are probably too expensive for the Ukrainian budget.

If there is one area where this war is going to have a lasting impact, it's gonna be the proliferation of drones. Turkey and Iran have demonstrated that even they can shove out masses of fairly capable and cheap drones with actually pretty impressive capabilities for the price tag. A rude awakening for western militaries that have been obsessing about small numbers of expensive stealth fighters.
 

Temstar

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Latest from Rybar, not yet available on twitter:
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The situation in the Nikolaev-Berislav direction
as of 13.00, 19.10. - @Rybar

At about 8 a.m., the Armed Forces of Ukraine made another attempt to attack Sukhanovo and Polyanka in the Berislavsky sector by the forces of assault groups of 128th brigade and 60th brigade with a total strength of two battalions.

By noon, the enemy suffered significant losses in manpower and equipment from artillery fire and ATGMs. The Ukrainian command brought into battle the second echelon of units of the 28th brigade and the tank company of the 17th brigade, but they also came under heavy fire.

South of Davydov Brod, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying to tie up the forces of the RF Armed Forces in the area by battle and are trying to wedge into the Russian defense in small groups.

In anticipation of a full-scale offensive by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the administration of the Kherson region is evacuating civilians from Beryslavsky, Belozersky, Snigirevsky and Aleksandrovsky districts to the left bank of the Dnepr.
Still just another probing attack, successfully repulsed but more will come.
 
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Sinnavuuty

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The Ukrainian military is not the Grande armee, the major troubles that the Russians are facing now are purely self inflicted and are not due to some super Grande armee.
If the Russians had done war the right way from the beginning instead of holding back and p*ssyfooting around then they wouldn't have been forced into this situation of evacuating their own civilians and possibly withdrawing from Russian land and then bombing it themselves in the first place.
Will it do any good if lamenting now? Not.

Russia's wrong approach at the beginning is still having repercussions right now, but it's no use complaining, accepting the facts is the first thing to do to try to get around the situation that the military and political leadership itself caused.

Just face reality and accept the facts. The facts are these, Ukraine is advancing, the conquest in Kharkov has given the AFU morale boost and now they are advancing in Kherson, Putin said that 220,000 have already finished training, we have not yet seen these numbers reflected in a stabilization of the front from the line of combat, therefore, they have no option but to retreat and this is historical for the Russian military, as in the case of Napoleon and Hitler.

Basically we are watching replay of WWII with our own eyes, the 9th Army and the 18th Army are Army Group South.

Given the White House is willing to further drain the SPR for political points to avoid high oil prices, one would also think they will be cracking the whip on Ukraine to force them to attack Kherson weather they are ready or not. Time frame should be similar I think: over the next 2 weeks.
I had already read somewhere that Biden's plan for this new offensive was to try to manage the AFU's victory in Kherson before the elections to give a boost in securing his victory.
 
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Sinnavuuty

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Strelkov is somewhere in Ukraine, I think his introduction into the mobilization is meant to keep him tight-lipped

The AFU is taking losses in this offensive, the AFU is trying south of Davydov Brod to carry out an offensive reconnaissance

Martial law in Russia's newly annexed territories

Kh-101 flying to a target located in Kiev, a curious situation is that during a week and a half in this bombing campaign, the number of cruise missile launches passed the barrier of 200 units, probably the number is around 300 launch
 
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