The War in the Ukraine

Temstar said:

Well depends on how you classify transformer stations, but more specifically there's this example:

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Seems precise enough to hit the warehouse dead center.

There has been some mention that the Geran-2 that crashed into an aparment building did so after the Ukrainians damaged it where it went of course, by the Ukranians own admision.

Dude basically went "sorry for the victims, but better the building that the intended target"

Atomicfrog said:

It's quite funny how a cheap drone with a mopet engine become a wonderweapon in the eyes of a lot of peoples when way bigger and precise weapons have blowed up tons of stuff in Ukraine.

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I think part of the shock its because they are Iranian?. And is not like the Iranian MIC was highly regarded, between half-assed mockups and clones of 1970's american weapons system they constantly put out.

That said, in retrospect, that they are ahead of even the Russians in the drone department maybe shouldn't be a shock as the US keeps gifting them drones of all types.

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Sinnavuuty said:

he Liar Chuck above claims the Russians lost 2,505 MBTs and 5,181 AFVs...wanted to know his count of Russian aircraft, should be another reliable estimate and also reasonable.

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Not even Team Ghouta's numbers are that inflated. That dude's account reads like some of our recently hatched posters, though


When you tweet while you pump some Fentanyl.

Atomicfrog said:

It's quite funny how a cheap drone with a mopet engine become a wonderweapon in the eyes of a lot of peoples when way bigger and precise weapons have blowed up tons of stuff in Ukraine. It look like it's the end of the world. It's on all the news, Iranian drones destroying everything, Ukraine gearing up to the task of shooting them down, new AA system shipped to counter the Iranian drones, etc etc etc.

Russian would have been able to attack all these targets with cruise missiles a long time ago, but low cost targets need low cost weapons. Strike near civilians assets need also less collateral damage. Imagine using Iskander for the same task...would have been quite devastating. Quite chirurgical use of forces.

They are still nice addons to any forces and it's interesting to see how effective they are passing through air defences ar low speed making a ton of noise. But they are not wonderweapons, the same for HIMARS...

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I agree with your assessment about Russians and cruise missiles. I think if you asked Shoigu at the start of the year if he's ready for war and got the correct tools for air campaign he would tell you yes and that he's got:

• high end: Iskander, Kinzhal, KH-101 and Kalibr
• low end: Kub, Krasnopol

But as the war went on the following was discovered:

• the really small loitering munition like Kub and its US counterpart switchblade are just too weak and too short ranged to make much of an impact on the battlefield or at strategic level
• the really big and expensive missiles while great are not available in large enough number to hit all the targets you may want to hit, not by a long shot
• Krasnopol lack both range and rely on UAV lasing (another Russian weakness) to fill that gap

So really Russians have discovered there's actually a huge gap in between the low end and high end that are not covered by anything. Hence you see the Russians try to rush things like LMUR, Lancet and that other Item 305 into action to try to fill that role. Shahed-136 just happened to slot into that gap quite well for the Russians. But even so you can see Russians while they are very happy with low cost and thus high volume of Shahed-136 are not quite satisfied with the punch. Hence you see them thinking about buying Iranian ballistic missiles as well as larger kamikaze drones, to fill the upper bound of that missing middle band

Putin's Ukraine Mobilisation Incharge Roman Malyk Found Dead Under 'Suspicious' Circumstances​

Lt. Col. Roman Malyk, incharge of Russia’s key efforts to mobilise against Ukraine, was found dead under “suspicious" circumstances, a report said on Sunday. Malyk was said to be a close aide of Russian President Vladimir Putin, and was found dead at his residence in Russia’s Primorsky area village.

An investigation has been launched into his death and suicide has not been ruled out as a cause by Russian police, reports said.

This is the latest case in a string of “mysterious" deaths of Putin’s close allies. Last month, Russian oligarch Ivan Pechorin was found dead in a mysterious condition in Vladivostok, a CNN report had stated.

Notably, Roman Malyk’s death comes amid many reported assaults on mobilisation offices across Russia as resentment increased over Vladimir Putin’s referendum for a military call-up in September, a Hindustan Times report said.

Teams of armed enlistment officers working with the police have been forcing men to join the army in many Russian cities, The Mirror reported.

Vladimir Putin announced partial mobilisation of Russia’s 2 million-strong military reserves “to defend the motherland, its sovereignty and territorial integrity”.

Reports of such mysterious deaths of Russian executives are not new. Out of all the businessmen who have died in the last 7 months in Russia, six were reportedly close to Vladimir Putin. They were associated with Russia’s two largest energy companies.

Temstar said:

Well depends on how you classify transformer stations, but more specifically there's this example:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1582031782903312384

We can't really be sure but the layout does suggest a military compound. So it does seem the drones are used tactically too.

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The resulting explosion suggest more than the drone's warhead. This points to an ammunition depot.

Russian MOD's daily report mentions 6 ammo depots hit yesterday.

sheogorath said:

Seems precise enough to hit the warehouse dead center.

There has been some mention that the Geran-2 that crashed into an aparment building did so after the Ukrainians damaged it where it went of course, by the Ukranians own admision.

Dude basically went "sorry for the victims, but better the building that the intended target"



I think part of the shock its because they are Iranian?. And is not like the Iranian MIC was highly regarded, between half-assed mockups and clones of 1970's american weapons system they constantly put out.

That said, in retrospect, that they are ahead of even the Russians in the drone department maybe shouldn't be a shock as the US keeps gifting them drones of all types.

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Not even Team Ghouta's numbers are that inflated. That dude's account reads like some of our recently hatched posters, though

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1581723505187778561

When you tweet while you pump some Fentanyl.

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I don't understand why the drone operator didn't prioritise attacking the radar in favour of the missile when he spotted it.

Shadow_Whomel said:

I don't understand why the drone operator didn't prioritise attacking the radar in favour of the missile when he spotted it.

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Well, probably he was ordered to destroy the launcher instead of that 5N63.

A scene from All Quiet on the Western Front in Bakhmut after massive artillery bombardments.


Ukrainian armored column in the mud. Looks like autumn mud is in full swing.

One thought that came to mind is HIMARs is very dependent on high mobility. I wonder how much it has hurt Ukraine's deployment of HIMARS, combined with the fact you've got large numbers of Iranian drones flying around now.

Interesting they're claiming the Ukrainians shot down most of these suicide drones yet they're saying it was proof Russia was targeting civilians by where they struck... Are these are the same drones that hit Saudi oil refineries that were protected by US Patriot missiles?

Heavy rain is expected all over Ukraine next week so the mud conditions should only get worse.

AssassinsMace said:

Interesting they're claiming the Ukrainians shot down most of these suicide drones yet they're saying it was proof Russia was targeting civilians by where they struck... Are these are the same drones that hit Saudi oil refineries that were protected by US Patriot missiles?

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Yes. And also why I take claims that most of the drones were shot down with teaspoons of salt.