The War in the Ukraine

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lolrus said:
You can fit a lot of explosives in one of those long distance hauling trucks, and the explosion seems to originate right ontop of the truck. The thing I don't get is why would Ukraine resort to an undeniable and hugely taboo act of terrorism with a suicide bombing? They won't be able to defect the attack to another party like the case of the car bomb that killed Dugin's daughter where they denied responsibility and said it was a rival faction of Dugin's. Ukraine had made it clear in the past they wanted the bridge destroyed and there's no other party to blame. I don't see how the EU would be able to continue supporting Ukraine and continue to provide them with weapon if it's shown that Ukraine did this car bombing attack on an civilian target which seems to also have killed a few civilian cars behind the truck. The only thing I see is that they'll blame it as a Russian false flag and pull up precedent of the Russian apartment bombing that sparked the 2nd Chechen war.
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My friend, you're being naive.

EU will not see it as an act of terror. This will not be seen as an act of terror hence nothing changes. Rule based order is selective, it's not international law based order. They will not do anything. Ukraine has already claimed responsibility. Support will continue. Nothing will change.
 
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Overbom said:
Yeah, from the photos we have, the roads' surface seems pretty much unharmed. So this means that the sabotage charges were on the pillars of the structure
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But it doesn’t look like the pillars have collapsed. Just the road sections.
 
FairAndUnbiased

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pmc said:
I dont think satellite can deal with small teams. Saudis have all that and dense concentration of military power and still things were attacked all the way to Abu dhabi. They will repair the bridge and move one. They had ferries before this bridge and its off season now.
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you know what really doesn't help though? not having the satellite images.

you know what could've been prevented if Russia had more frequent satellite images? not getting caught in Kharkov.

Saudis lost to Yemen, great. that is what Russia wants to be compared to?
 
FairAndUnbiased

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xypher said:
If it was a drone boat, you'd see a huge pillar of water due to explosion. It is either pre-planted bombs on the anchoring bridge pillars, a suicide bombing or just extreme coincidence. However, if it is suicide bombing, then one may wonder how such a truck filled with at least several tons of explosives got through completely undetected?
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the thing that should scare Russians is that if it is a truck bomb like the media says, it means that Ukrainian morale is extremely high. Low morale militaries cannot get someone to volunteer for this sort of mission. This is the exact opposite of what the original estimate was - that Ukrainian morale would be low. In addition, it shows the Shahed-136 and infrastructure attacks have not been effective in reducing Ukrainian morale.
 
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Zichan said:
But it doesn’t look like the pillars have collapsed. Just the road sections.
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Yeah, I'm not an expert but the relative intactness of torn off part of the bridge could have just happened due to damaged supports tearing after the truck bomb.

Ukraine has not talked about the mode of attack, Russia claims it is a truck and there's footage that seems to show exactly that. There's no real biased interest for Russians to claim it is a truck over a preplanted charge or a bomb stuck under the train etc. Either way it is still an equal level of failure in Russian intelligence.
FairAndUnbiased said:
you know what really doesn't help though? not having the satellite images.

you know what could've been prevented if Russia had more frequent satellite images? not getting caught in Kharkov.

Saudis lost to Yemen, great. that is what Russia wants to be compared to?
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The thing is while Russia may have civilian level access to Chinese satellite intel, almost all Russian weapons courtesy of their "modernization" never acquired ability to be guided by Chinese ISR, and the PLA itself isn't involved right now in directing Russian strikes either. So having some images don't help too much.
 
FairAndUnbiased

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Overbom said:
Is there any particular reason why Russia doesn't simply buy sat imagery from China?

In case of bad PR, they could always say that China is providing non-military imagery about the topography of the Russian held areas to try to find damaged infrastructure or whatever else bs they can come up with

Or maybe China doesn't want to involve in this mess at all (which is possible)
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a few possibilities in descending order of probability:

1. they are buying satellite imagery, but it is poorly integrated at the ground level. For example, the satellite imagery could be distributed at higher command levels i.e. brigade level and read manually, while Ukrainians have coordinates fed directly down to individual maneuver units like a single tank or single team of soldiers due to being provided NATO integrated equipment.

2. they are too arrogant and think that their current satellite capabilities are sufficient. More than possible.

3. China refuses to sell. Possible, but I don't think so. Even civilian grade satellite intel would be 100% valuable to Russia.
 
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In case anyone thought that Ukraine would be afraid to take responsibility of this attack or whatever. Don't worry
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Crimean Bridge explosion just ‘the beginning,’ Ukraine says​

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The blast that rocked the Crimean Bridge early on Saturday is just “the beginning,” Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky’s aide, Mikhail Podoliak, has said.The bridge was closed in the early hours of Saturday after a truck exploded, damaging the road and causing a huge fire.
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“Crimea, the bridge, the beginning,” Podoliak tweeted. “Everything illegal must be destroyed, everything stolen must be returned to Ukraine, everything occupied by Russia must be expelled.”
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tankphobia

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10+ years of Russian heavy military reorganisation and rearmament led to this one single moment where one of their most heavily defended bridges are defeated by a truck bomb/sabotage.
 
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FairAndUnbiased said:
you know what really doesn't help though? not having the satellite images.
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why you need satellite when drones and aircraft can see things right next to border. satellite only comes into play when aircraft cannot reach.
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FairAndUnbiased said:
you know what could've been prevented if Russia had more frequent satellite images? not getting caught in Kharkov.

Saudis lost to Yemen, great. that is what Russia wants to be compared to?
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Russia is not repeating Saudi mistakes. you have to observe carefully.
 
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