The War in the Ukraine

4Runner

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One very questionable conclusion: The ambassador did note that Russia never really recovered from the Soviet collapse. However, what he missed was the comparison: Ukraine did worse.

Let's just look at defense economy as an example. As background, Ukrainian GDP per capita fluctuates between 1/4 and 1/2 of Russia's every year since 1991. The only reason Ukraine is even comparable to Russia is because of size, being 1/4 of Russia's population. Post 1991 Russia at least kept its oil/gas/aerospace industries alive. Post 1991 Ukraine inherited a huge chunk of Soviet manufacturing including a space program, gas turbines and jet engines (Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, Motor Sich, Antonov) and failed to turn them into anything useful except ironically, selling their products back to Russia. The result is that Ukraine basically only had a few years of economic growth from 2001-2008 after the instability of the 90's and the financial crisis followed by Russian annexation of Crimea and breaking off of Donbass.

After 2014, they (expectedly) sanctioned Russia, which crippled Russia's naval modernization until Russia could build gas turbines again, but this was not costless. It also meant that they lost their biggest market by far. Nobody else really buys their stuff in bulk.
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and a refusal by the IMF to issue further loans.

OK. Let's say that Ukraine succeeds in stopping Russia from winning. What next? Right now normal economic activity in Ukraine has stopped.
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This isn't from monetary problems, this is from losing means of production. More dollars won't fix it. This is just from 3 months of war.
That article was retracted already. Either that "ambassador" was disciplined or that article was fake news. So any relationship between this "ambassador" and China should be FUD here.
 

Gloire_bb

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Light tanks like BTR-82A and BMD-4M don't need bridge to cross a river. These are amphibious and pack bigger punches than main battle tanks because of ATGM launchers.
Severskiy Donets is notoriously capricious, with fast and sometimes unpredictable currents.
I.e. it is probably done for establishing bridgeheads, but as a standard procedure for an average driver - i doubt it very much.
Not an easy river even for proper watercraft.
 

Yommie

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In WW2 Germans busted thousands of T-34 but they kept coming. For every T-34 Germans can bust, Russian build 5 more to replace. War is won by industrial might. As long as Russian industrial might can replace losses, they win the war. For every Ukrainian tank lost, there is no replacement.
 

Yommie

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NATO replaces them.

US cannot send thousands of tanks to Ukraine. In US tanks are expensive and they cannot build more due to loss of industrial might. US hasn't built a new tank since decades ago.
 

Atomicfrog

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NATO replaces them.
They got 200 old T-72 from Poland indeed, but lost 3000, they lost probably 50 a days or more...so 4 days worth of tanks.

Germany will keep their tanks (245) so do most European countries even if France decide to send all Leclerc Tank, it will be just 220 more !

Canada could send all of our MBT (around 100 old leopard 1 and 2, 80 with guns, 10 for parts and 10 converted recovery vehicule), we have no use for them, we bought them to fight in Afghanistan. If we do they will arrive in 6 months or so. OUr governement is so stupid that they are able to send them, no kidding.

Do you think it would make a difference ?
 

Phead128

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So I was thinking about it. You know how Americans are pretty stupid right? All those high end Javelin and NLAW and M777 and Stinger falling into the hands of Russians in Ukraine. So what if China does a mock invasion of Russia and over run some border villages temporarily. Then the US send thousands of M1A2 and F-16 to Russia to fight back. Boom, Russia gets all those high end western hardware for free. Americans would get played by China and Russia. :D
Please stop with the low-quality trash troll posts, you stupid idiot.
 
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