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The War in the Ukraine
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If you think he is a troll, please do not feed him by replying to his post. It serves no purpose other than encouraging him to troll more.
I am not singling you out as the only one. Several other members, unfortunately, did the same.
Interesting, they said the first batch of M777 soldiers was only trained something a week or two ago. 200, and another 100 this week. Now I recognize any idiot can operate towed artillery on a fairly quick basis (myself included), but this is really fast
I would be surprised if when Ukrainian troops went into joint training missions with NATO they never used the M777.
But I doubt they will have a lot of troops trained with that.
Sounds like they might have achieved localized results. But turning those into something with more widespread significance should be a lot harder. And no I wouldn't call learning how to use artillery easy.
But I doubt they will have a lot of troops trained with that.
Sounds like they might have achieved localized results. But turning those into something with more widespread significance should be a lot harder. And no I wouldn't call learning how to use artillery easy.
No, training artillerymen is anything but simple, and anything but short.
But there is a very obvious way around. They didn't have to be trained from the ground up. Physics&mathematics are the same, and guns are more or less the same, too. No need to repeat obvious parts, esp. to those who probably saw more artillery action than most of their instructors.
Maybe they sneaked some NATO operators with those M777 back into Ukraine and the front. We have seen more then enough footage of NATO soldiers/mercs fighting along side the ukrainian armed forces.
plawolf
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Possible but unlikely given the expected high attrition levels of those guns, and by extension, crews.
Those would be high priority targets for the Russians, and M777s being towed means they will be exposed for extended periods after firing and revealing their location as they pack up to go.
Sending weapons is one thing, but lots of dead NATO soldiers coming back in body bags or not coming back at all is going to create actual political problems for NATO politicians back home.
So far NATO countries have shown they are more than happy to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian, but none of show any willingness to do any of the dying themselves.
I can provide the details as presented by the Ukrainian side.
Russian troops started preparations to cross the river as quiet as it seems possible - they have even started a fire of the nearby forests and there was a heavy use of smoke bombs to hide their positions. Unfortunately for them Ukrainians had selected earlier this place as favorable and a possible point of crossing, conducted constant surveillance of these areas. They had 100% situational awareness and decided to set up an ambush. When Russians started to cross the river the hell started - mass artillery fire at this exact place aiming for whatever was on the other side. They claim that even air strikes were conducted at Russian forces there. I guess it was a nightmare as we look at the outcome - just around this place there's been confirmed (based on photos) almost 60 Russian vehicles of various kinds destroyed, we can guess that hundreds of soldiers died there as well.
As some troops had crossed the river Russians started to prepare a rescue operation - they tried to lay a bridge at another point but got under fire once again.
We know the exact location - I can provide you with coordinates of where it took place.
I think that Russian tactics is the same as the old Soviet one - they can only go forward so they may break in other places, other fights in the area mean nothing. Russian soldiers in the area already got notice that there will be no rotation so this will probably strenghten their will to end this as fast as possible to get out.
Yes if you could provide the co-ordinates thanks.
One very questionable conclusion: The ambassador did note that Russia never really recovered from the Soviet collapse. However, what he missed was the comparison: Ukraine did worse.
Let's just look at defense economy as an example. As background, Ukrainian GDP per capita fluctuates between 1/4 and 1/2 of Russia's every year since 1991. The only reason Ukraine is even comparable to Russia is because of size, being 1/4 of Russia's population. Post 1991 Russia at least kept its oil/gas/aerospace industries alive. Post 1991 Ukraine inherited a huge chunk of Soviet manufacturing including a space program, gas turbines and jet engines (Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, Motor Sich, Antonov) and failed to turn them into anything useful except ironically, selling their products back to Russia. The result is that Ukraine basically only had a few years of economic growth from 2001-2008 after the instability of the 90's and the financial crisis followed by Russian annexation of Crimea and breaking off of Donbass.
After 2014, they (expectedly) sanctioned Russia, which crippled Russia's naval modernization until Russia could build gas turbines again, but this was not costless. It also meant that they lost their biggest market by far. Nobody else really buys their stuff in bulk. and . , which led to a and a refusal by the IMF to issue further loans.
OK. Let's say that Ukraine succeeds in stopping Russia from winning. What next? Right now normal economic activity in Ukraine has stopped. This isn't from monetary problems, this is from losing means of production. More dollars won't fix it. This is just from 3 months of war.