The War in the Ukraine

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One very questionable conclusion: The ambassador did note that Russia never really recovered from the Soviet collapse. However, what he missed was the comparison: Ukraine did worse.

Let's just look at defense economy as an example. As background, Ukrainian GDP per capita fluctuates between 1/4 and 1/2 of Russia's every year since 1991. The only reason Ukraine is even comparable to Russia is because of size, being 1/4 of Russia's population. Post 1991 Russia at least kept its oil/gas/aerospace industries alive. Post 1991 Ukraine inherited a huge chunk of Soviet manufacturing including a space program, gas turbines and jet engines (Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, Motor Sich, Antonov) and failed to turn them into anything useful except ironically, selling their products back to Russia. The result is that Ukraine basically only had a few years of economic growth from 2001-2008 after the instability of the 90's and the financial crisis followed by Russian annexation of Crimea and breaking off of Donbass.

After 2014, they (expectedly) sanctioned Russia, which crippled Russia's naval modernization until Russia could build gas turbines again, but this was not costless. It also meant that they lost their biggest market by far. Nobody else really buys their stuff in bulk.
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, which led to a
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and a refusal by the IMF to issue further loans.

OK. Let's say that Ukraine succeeds in stopping Russia from winning. What next? Right now normal economic activity in Ukraine has stopped.
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This isn't from monetary problems, this is from losing means of production. More dollars won't fix it. This is just from 3 months of war.

just from reading the article you can tell the writer has clear political bias against Russia, he pin the entire war on Russia's imperialism and does not mention anything about NATO expansion. Honestly I'm a bit surprised it was written by former Chinese diplomat...

The phrase "屁股决定立场“ applies very aptly to this gentlemen, I would take some grain of salt with every conclusion he made.
 

Janiz

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It appears the Chechens are the most combat effective units in the Ukrainian civil war on both sides.
Ah, the famed "TikTok Army" as it's known between Russian and Ukrainian regular troops? It seems like Kadyrov doesn't like the idea of them being at the frontlines and they're doing light lifting like in Mariupol. They're feared by civillians as they can kill random people for no reason. The same could be said about the famed Wagner Group - they don't stand a chance against regular, trained and battle hardened troops. Kadyrov's Chechen troops could be treated as a more or less private army with him not caring too much what the army staff wants from him because of political leverage he's got.
Let's not forget that Chechens are also fighting on Ukrainian side in this conflict. Everyone who knows a bit about recent history will know why.
Yes if you could provide the co-ordinates thanks.
It's said that the action took place around this point: 48°57'01.7"N 38°13'37.6"E
 

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One very questionable conclusion: The ambassador did note that Russia never really recovered from the Soviet collapse. However, what he missed was the comparison: Ukraine did worse.

Let's just look at defense economy as an example. As background, Ukrainian GDP per capita fluctuates between 1/4 and 1/2 of Russia's every year since 1991. The only reason Ukraine is even comparable to Russia is because of size, being 1/4 of Russia's population. Post 1991 Russia at least kept its oil/gas/aerospace industries alive. Post 1991 Ukraine inherited a huge chunk of Soviet manufacturing including a space program, gas turbines and jet engines (Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, Motor Sich, Antonov) and failed to turn them into anything useful except ironically, selling their products back to Russia. The result is that Ukraine basically only had a few years of economic growth from 2001-2008 after the instability of the 90's and the financial crisis followed by Russian annexation of Crimea and breaking off of Donbass.

After 2014, they (expectedly) sanctioned Russia, which crippled Russia's naval modernization until Russia could build gas turbines again, but this was not costless. It also meant that they lost their biggest market by far. Nobody else really buys their stuff in bulk.
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and
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, which led to a
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and a refusal by the IMF to issue further loans.

OK. Let's say that Ukraine succeeds in stopping Russia from winning. What next? Right now normal economic activity in Ukraine has stopped.
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This isn't from monetary problems, this is from losing means of production. More dollars won't fix it. This is just from 3 months of war.
Side note: @FairAndUnbiased do you have a link to the rest of the Ambassador's speech? I would like to read the rest of his personal opinion regarding this conflict and most especially his contrarian (western views) on Russia, Ukraine, and NATO.

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One very questionable conclusion: The ambassador did note that Russia never really recovered from the Soviet collapse. However, what he missed was the comparison: Ukraine did worse.

Let's just look at defense economy as an example. As background, Ukrainian GDP per capita fluctuates between 1/4 and 1/2 of Russia's every year since 1991. The only reason Ukraine is even comparable to Russia is because of size, being 1/4 of Russia's population. Post 1991 Russia at least kept its oil/gas/aerospace industries alive. Post 1991 Ukraine inherited a huge chunk of Soviet manufacturing including a space program, gas turbines and jet engines (Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, Motor Sich, Antonov) and failed to turn them into anything useful except ironically, selling their products back to Russia. The result is that Ukraine basically only had a few years of economic growth from 2001-2008 after the instability of the 90's and the financial crisis followed by Russian annexation of Crimea and breaking off of Donbass.

After 2014, they (expectedly) sanctioned Russia, which crippled Russia's naval modernization until Russia could build gas turbines again, but this was not costless. It also meant that they lost their biggest market by far. Nobody else really buys their stuff in bulk.
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and
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, which led to a
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and a refusal by the IMF to issue further loans.

OK. Let's say that Ukraine succeeds in stopping Russia from winning. What next? Right now normal economic activity in Ukraine has stopped.
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This isn't from monetary problems, this is from losing means of production. More dollars won't fix it. This is just from 3 months of war.
The article is a forgery, it was written by Fudan scholar Feng Yujun, here is the
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of Feng Yujun, this is
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, it was posted on WeChat on April 21. Clearly this is a false flag operation in Chinese public opinion.
 

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I can provide the details as presented by the Ukrainian side.
Russian troops started preparations to cross the river as quiet as it seems possible - they have even started a fire of the nearby forests and there was a heavy use of smoke bombs to hide their positions. Unfortunately for them Ukrainians had selected earlier this place as favorable and a possible point of crossing, conducted constant surveillance of these areas. They had 100% situational awareness and decided to set up an ambush. When Russians started to cross the river the hell started - mass artillery fire at this exact place aiming for whatever was on the other side. They claim that even air strikes were conducted at Russian forces there. I guess it was a nightmare as we look at the outcome - just around this place there's been confirmed (based on photos) almost 60 Russian vehicles of various kinds destroyed, we can guess that hundreds of soldiers died there as well.
As some troops had crossed the river Russians started to prepare a rescue operation - they tried to lay a bridge at another point but got under fire once again.

We know the exact location - I can provide you with coordinates of where it took place.

I think that Russian tactics is the same as the old Soviet one - they can only go forward so they may break in other places, other fights in the area mean nothing. Russian soldiers in the area already got notice that there will be no rotation so this will probably strenghten their will to end this as fast as possible to get out.
Please don't post unsourced information, especially when it's clearly false.

A Ukrainian has posted on twitter claiming he took part in the "battle", along with his paypal for "donations". Judge for yourself if you think it's credible.
 

Michaelsinodef

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The article is a forgery, it was written by Fudan scholar Feng Yujun, here is the
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of Feng Yujun, this is
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, it was posted on WeChat on April 21. Clearly this is a false flag operation in Chinese public opinion.
I didn't go line by line, but apart from the very start the 2 articles seems to be very different.
 
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