The War in the Ukraine

Phead128

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Ukraine has attacked Russia proper countless of times, if Russia wanted an excuse to declare war and raise conscripts, it has multiple chances already throughout the war, but never took it.

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The reason why LPR is rushing to hold a referendum on joining Russia is because Ukrainian counteroffensive captured a small village in suburb of Lysychansk, which means Russia is (technically) not in "full" control of Luhansk province. Although this is a small and symbolic victory, the pro-Russia LPR governor likely wants to expedite referendum to preserve as much territory joining Russia as possible to pre-empt further encroachment by the enemy.

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If DNR is requesting referendum as well, then we are one step closer to my prediction that Putin will unilaterally declaring victory once all of Donestk province is fully under Russia control. The end goal was to capture both DPR/LNR claim territory but usually referendums happen after you establish full control, not before...
 
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sheogorath

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There are claims that Ukraine will receive Slovenian M55S. The M55 is a T-55 with upgraded sights and FCS, Blazer ERA and the original 100mm replaced with a 105mm L7.

Better in some aspects to the T-72M1 received from Poland, but that 105mm gun isn't going to achieve much penetration. In the days of the T-72A it was already lacking.

Still good for ambushes, probably.

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tank3487 said:
Russia had still used just peace time army. Now it would start at least partial mobilization. Tommorow Duma(it is already announced) would pass laws changes about mobilisation and different terms tied to it. It would be war now.
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It's about damn time TBH. Let the military do what they need to do. This fighting a "not really war wink wink" with a knife and one hand tied behind your back, is just agonizing after 6 months.

At least if this goes through, Russian military will have full access to its own forces within the liberated territories, who knows maybe they will be able to hold ground?

Perhaps i was wrong and at least one guy in Russian leadership actually does know they are at war with NATO?

Also did anyone else see this morning that RuMOD said any attacks on nuclear facilities within the RF will be considered a nuclear attack on the country? I read it this morning and now I can't find it again. Change their mind already or saving it up for a more appropriate date? It was the thing that stood out most from what i read this morning and it was on the MOD telegram

Interesting to say it if Zaporozhye is going to have a referendum on joining Russia
 
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sheogorath said:
There are claims that Ukraine will receive Slovenian M55S. The M55 is a T-55 with upgraded sights and FCS, Blazer ERA and the original 100mm replaced with a 105mm L7.

Better in some aspects to the T-72M1 received from Poland, but that 105mm gun isn't going to achieve much penetration. In the days of the T-72A it was already lacking.

Still good for ambushes, probably.

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Way enough to shred buildings, infantry and IFV. It's not a fight of heavy cavalries at long range anyway, it's artillery lobing and mudfights. Anything that can survive shrapnels is a good addition to each forces.

Armored bulldozer to make trenches, embankment and river crossing would be great and we didn't see any. A lot of Soviet era tanks have entrenching tools but it's clearly not enough to build instant fortifications or making a mess of covers in urban fighting.
 
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tank3487

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Interesting to say it if Zaporozhye is going to have a referendum on joining Russia
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It would. Thing is Russia had already conducted warning strikes near South Ukrainian NPP recently. So it is clear what response to anticipate if they try to keep shelling of Zaporozhye NPP.


Btw. Lukashenko had ordered to conduct preparations for alertness of wartime, probably to be ready if west try to conduct something.
 
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Phead128 said:
Ukraine has attacked Russia proper countless of times, if Russia wanted an excuse to declare war and raise conscripts, it has multiple chances already throughout the war, but never took it.

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The reason why LPR is rushing to hold a referendum on joining Russia is because Ukrainian counteroffensive captured a small village in suburb of Lysychansk, which means Russia is (technically) not in "full" control of Luhansk province. Although this is a small and symbolic victory, the pro-Russia LPR governor likely wants to expedite referendum to preserve as much territory joining Russia as possible to pre-empt further encroachment by the enemy.

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If DNR is requesting referendum as well, then we are one step closer to my prediction that Putin will unilaterally declaring victory once all of Donestk province is fully under Russia control. The end goal was to capture both DPR/LNR claim territory but usually referendums happen after you establish full control, not before...
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Russia better up the ante several notches.... Relying mostly on the LPR and DPR Militias obviously isn't working.
 
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Franklin

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I didn't believe it would have been possible for the Ukrainians to retake so much land.

Because I thought that:

1. The Russians would have buildup fortifications along the area's they occupy.

2. They would have redeployed their forces into a defensive position.

3. They would have been able to detect a large buildup of forces around their occupied area's and would attacked the buildup before it was complete.

4. The Russians would enjoy air superiority as their long range SAM's would ground the UAF and the Russians would have been able to give close air support to their forces on the ground from their bases inside of Russia.

5. They have superior firepower on the ground.

Instead they never buildup any serious fortifications, they didn't see the massive buildup on the Kharkiv front, the forces on the ground were caught of guard by the counterattack from the Ukranians and the Russian Aerospace Force was MIA. WTF.
 
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Franklin said:
they didn't see the massive buildup on the Kharkiv front, the forces on the ground were caught of guard by the counterattack from the Ukranians and the Russian Aerospace Force was MIA. WTF.
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I don’t think that is entirely true since it lasted around 6 days. If they were caught off guard then there should have been much more Russian casualties and equipment lost. Instead, they left Kharkiv in an orderly fashion with most of their equipment and supplies. I don’t think anyone is arguing against that given the lack of heavy fighting and prisoners. It’s not easy to quickly move thousands of troops (mainly militia) with their supplies and equipment over these distances under an rapid enemy advance.
 
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panzerfeist1

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Ghost of kherson twitter stating that Macron is urgently reaching out to putin about the referenda. February 24 energy again might be back on the menu. We are going to have an interesting week probably.
 
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