The War in the Ukraine

Overbom

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Putin says Russia is in "no hurry"

With a grin, Putin warns Ukraine: the war can get more serious



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The Russia is in the position it is due to that man. Even his comments about the war betray that fact
With a grin, Putin warns Ukraine: the war can get more serious
For such a serious matter as a war, he is quite relaxed and treating it like a game, r/WhatCouldGoWrong.
Sun Tzu would be (not) proud:
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Breadbox

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I'm not seeing it if the "conditions of surrender" proposed by the Ukrainians that is going around is true. If it is, they are drinking their own Kool-Aid

"The conditions of Ukraine are as follows:

1. Withdrawal of Russian troops from all territories occupied by them after 24.02.2022.

2. Legislative transfer of all gold and foreign exchange reserves and seized assets of the Russian Federation and Russians as of 1.09.2022. The law on reparations must be adopted by the State Duma, the Federation Council and signed by the President.

3. Additional payment of reparations of 200 billion euros within 25 years in equal installments.

4. Free supplies of natural gas to Ukraine for five years from 01.01.2023.

5. Holding a referendum on the status of Crimea no later than 011.01.24 under the auspices of the UN and international organizations.

6. Demilitarization of the entire European part of the Russian Federation with the withdrawal of all parts and connections beyond the Urals.

7. Legislative reduction of the Russian army to 600,000 people.

8. Admission of military observers to all military facilities of the Russian Federation, including closed research institutes and design offices.

9. Early elections of the State Duma with the full participation of international observers.

10. Early presidential elections with the full participation of international observers.


Within 12 months, with the full implementation of all items, the international community will begin to partially lift the previously imposed sanctions.

Immediately after the initialling of the agreement, the disconnection of banks from SWIFT, the ban on the sale of Russian coal, oil and LNG will be lifted, flights will be restored and deliveries of vital medicines and aircraft components will be established.

At the insistence of the head of the U.S. State Department Blinken, extreme points on "extradition" of the Russian leadership were removed from the "peace plan"."
I'm sorry, where is it that you read these points? This is the most mind numbingly stupid thing I've ever read, i thought people should have wisened up to implementing stupid, unenforceable terms such as 'demilitarisation' and 'force cap' without a full military occupation.
Nukes would sooner fly than 'withdraw all military force to the east of Urals'.
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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I think Russia's strategy is depopulate Ukraine. Wreck Ukraine's civilian infrastructure, cause millions of Ukrainians to flee to the West, reduce life expectancy and fertility rate by having Ukrainian drink unsanitized water and freezing in the cold winter with no gas. 5 years from now Ukraine's population fall to 20 million and will be having a hard time defending Kharkov city from a major offensive across the border. By that time Russian army will be equipped with the latest Mi-28NM and Ka-52M shturmoviks which will decimate Ukrainian tanks, and possibly T-14 may even be on the battlefield by then. Time is in Russia's favor.
That sounds like genocide.
 

tankphobia

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That sounds like genocide.
No, if it's "de-Nazification" then civilian infrastructure focused strikes are perfectly fine. I mean it is, but you can't really frame it as liberation or special military operation anymore. If you're just striking infrastructure without a plan to push into the territory after then it really is just terror bombing.
 

Zichan

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Interesting analysis of the current strategic situation in Ukraine by Lt. Gen Ben Hodges.

Some interesting tidbits: Ukraine has at least 700,000 (!) men in uniform. They are getting trained in UK, Germany and Poland and have ample capacity to recruit 100,000s more. Russian Iskander is 70% built by imported components and will be difficult to replenish.

He believes Ukraine has a good chance of rolling back Russia to the Feb 23 borders by the end of the year. Furthermore, he believes it is extremely unlikely that Russia would use nuclear weapons in Ukraine. The main argument for that claim is that costs for Russia would far outweigh the “benefits”. The US could nit afford to stand by and not get involved at that point. For example, the Russian naval base in Syria may be destroyed, or the Russian fleet in the Black Sea sunk or even the Russian forces within Ukraine degraded by F-35 strikes.
 
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Nobo

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The US could nit afford to stand by and not get involved at that point.
What would they do? Staging massive naked protest?
the Russian naval base in Syria may be destroyed,
And the bases west have over there & nearby will be showered with flowers.
he Russian fleet in the Black Sea sunk or even the Russian forces within Ukraine degraded by F-35 strikes.
Yea sure, they can destroy Russian fleets at video games. I'm pretty sure when it happens on ground, West will be erased off existence. I would love to see they do one single thing they mouth-fart about.
 

baykalov

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Interesting analysis of the current strategic situation in Ukraine by Lt. Gen Ben Hodges.

Some interesting tidbits: Ukraine has at least 700,000 (!) men in uniform. They are getting trained in UK, Germany and Poland and have ample capacity to recruit 100,000s more. Russian Iskander is 70% built by imported components and will be difficult to replenish.

He believes Ukraine has a good chance of rolling back Russia to the Feb 23 borders by the end of the year. For example, the Russian naval base in Syria may be destroyed, or the Russian fleet in the Black Sea sunk or even the Russian forces within Ukraine degraded by F-35 strikes.

A few of his recent tweets:




 

sheogorath

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If you're just striking infrastructure without a plan to push into the territory after then it really is just terror bombing.

It just becomes terror bombing depending on who does it. Ukranians keep shelling city centers as collective punishment, just like they have been doing since 2014 with little to no intention to push, but it has never been calles terror bombings.

At least hitting infrastructure still affects Ukraine fighting capacity including their offensives, one way or the other.
 
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