The War in the Ukraine

sheogorath

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What’s the range of those targeting pods? In that video the Su-34 bombed targets at most a couple hundred meters away.

PG bombs can be dropped at targets from well over 10kms and still hit bullseye.

The Su-34 Platan targeting pod has a range of 26km, allegedly though I've not been able to find an official source. There are several videos of it in use in Syria though mostly as recon.

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memfisa

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Any good updates on this shit show? I've been away on vacation for a week and decided to ignore all politics for the duration. Seems I missed alot almost 100 pages. Before I left the sky was falling and Moscow was about to be sacked

How is this helo attacking that pontoon without taking fire from manpads? I see claims it's IZD.305 being used. Is this some sort of non line of sight steerable thing or what?

It looks like it's targeting was corrected on the fly to hit whatever that vehicle used to be

Also see some stuff about Iranian suicide swarm drones being 'shot down'. How interesting. How exactly does that work? Thermal seeker on old manpads can lock onto these tiny things? Hitting it with atgms? Farmer shot them down with a rifle?
 
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sheogorath

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We got a close up view of how the AGM-88 attaches to the mig-29s, the pylon adaptors looks pretty make-shift if you ask me, but it seems to do the job.

I want to say they are modified APU-470(R-27) or APU-73(R-73) pylons but if they are, they incredibly juryrigged or sawed of with an extra support added to the back to compensante the weight and change in center of gravity from the missiles they are supposed to carry.

While it might "work", everything about the build suggests it is just a couple of misplaced G's away from breaking off and downing the plane that carries it.
 
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Abominable

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It doesn't matter if Russia still has plenty of tanks if it can't use it in combat.
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Here are some examples of what I'm talking about:

Comparison of time to rebuild for select tank engines
Where are those numbers from? Are they real world or manufacturer specifications? Also apart from the Leopard tank, they are all equivalent.

Note also that MB873 is installed as a power-pack with integrated transmission which is another high-wear element. Replacement of Leopard 2 power-pack takes a maximum of 2 hours.

V92 (T-90, T-72B3) and V84 (T-72B) which are a development of V45 are not a power-pack with the exception of last versions of the tanks. They are very but cheap to manufacture but extremely time-consuming and difficult to maintain. On a regular basis the T-72 tanks in Polish service required as much as 24 hour period for complete maintenance of the engine and transmission.

Comparison of mean time between failure and other performance for Leopard 2A4 and PT-91 (Polish T-72M modification)
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Are we seriously to believe a T-72 engine is 8 times more unreliable than a Leopard engine? I mean, breaking down after 25km??? Is this something the Ukrainians have encountered? I think this says more about the condition of Polish T-72s, or the Polish MOD have fudged the numbers to justify their purchase of overpriced German tanks.

Since Ukraine uses practically the same tanks as Russia, why are you comparing to German tanks?

Why would Russians have a harder time maintaining tanks compared to Ukraine? Ukrainian keep getting their tank repair sites bombed, while Russian ones are operating normally.

You are repeating old clichés used to denigrate Soviet platforms, which we've heard here many times, including directed at Chinese platforms. It may be true, but how is it any different for the Ukrainians?

As for using Onyx....enough has been said about that.
 

sheogorath

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I think this says more about the condition of Polish T-72s, or the Polish MOD have fudged the numbers to justify their purchase of overpriced German tanks.

As far as I remember, out of the license-built T-72's out there, Polish ones were among the ones with worse quality build. All of the T-72M Iraq had by the start of Desert Storm were polish-built units.

Despite being a license built version of the T-72 Ural, the armor was of worse quality and thinner than soviet versions. A source in polish I can't find right now mentioned how the stabilizer of the tank would stop working since the ball bearings of the gun would fail.

I can only imagine the number intensive combat might be playing on the maintenace and reliability of T-72M's received by Ukraine.
 

gelgoog

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How is this helo attacking that pontoon without taking fire from manpads? I see claims it's IZD.305 being used. Is this some sort of non line of sight steerable thing or what?
Izd. 305 has at least 14.5 km range (some say up to 25 km) which means it can fire outside the range of MANPADS. The missile has an IR camera, it transmits the sensor data to the helicopter via a two way datalink, and the operator can select a target mid-flight. You can basically select a target and fire the missile, or select a location and fire the missile at that location and then the operator can manually select the target in mid flight.

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Atomicfrog

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Izd. 305 has at least 14.5 km range (some say up to 25 km) which means it can fire outside the range of MANPADS. The missile has an IR camera, it transmits the sensor data to the helicopter via a two way datalink, and the operator can select a target mid-flight. You can basically select a target and fire the missile, or select a location and fire the missile at that location and then the operator can manually select the target in mid flight.

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Quite interesting weapon, I don't know how many they have but they are clearly able to hunt a lot of targets with these. If they have a spotter like a UAV or special troop to determine location, a Mi-28 with eight of these can erase an artillery position without a lot of risk.
 

gelgoog

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So it's sort of like a helicopter launched Spike NLOS?
Yes. But it is a bit larger and heavier. Izd. 305 length is 1.945 m, body diameter 200 mm. Weight 105 kg. With high-explosive fragmentation warhead weighing 25 kg. Spike NLOS has like 71 kg weight.
 
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