The War in the Ukraine

Yommie

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Main battle tanks are a liability in modern warfare. They use too much fuel, don't have long range engagement capability like tank destroyers do, lack amphibious capability.
 

Atomicfrog

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To be honest I rather have a bunch of Tigr based tank destroyers and air defense vehicles than a bunch of main battle tanks.


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Clearly when all armored vehicules can be a one hit fireball with atgm, it's a bit sad to see the cost and burden of MBT.

Still they can take severe punishment from small arms and shrapnells. They bring heavy firepower too.

It's just that they are becoming support platforms and are not tip of the spear anymore. Drones are clearly the tip of the spear presently.
 
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SampanViking

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As per usual and as done by both sides, there is a remarkable lack of relevant details to explain what we are looking at.
I cant even tell which bank is which?
One burnt out Soviet tank design looks pretty much like another to me and I also notice a lot of armour that does not appear to be destroyed. Some of the wrecks don't look new.

Now I am not saying that a Russian disaster did not happen, but I could put a dozen different captions to those pictures and each just as possible as the other.

Simple test, if the Russians have forced a crossing then we will here about combat in nearby towns and villages East and South of the River. If they have been stopped then we wont.
 

Yommie

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Clearly when all armored vehicules can be a one hit fireball with atgm, it's a bit sad to see the cost and burden of MBT.

Still they can take severe punishment from small arms and shrapnells. They bring heavy firepower too.

It's just that they are becoming support platforms and are not tip of the spear anymore. Drones are clearly the tip of the spear presently.

Drones can roam around and kill logistics trucks which hamper enemy artillery and tanks. Drone pilots are very easy and quick to train and drones and expendable. Everyone makes a hoopla if a jet or a helicopter is shot down. If a drone is shot down no one bats an eye.
 

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Ukraine is starting to sentence soldiers for the crime of being Russian soldiers. Notice there's no mention of war crimes, just being a soldier is enough. Exactly the sort of thing the Geneva Conventions was supposed to prevent.

Given the disparity in POW numbers (thousands of Ukrainians captured vs hundreds of Russians if that). I'm surprised Russia hasn't reached to clarify Ukraine's position.
 

Abominable

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Clearly when all armored vehicules can be a one hit fireball with atgm, it's a bit sad to see the cost and burden of MBT.

Still they can take severe punishment from small arms and shrapnells. They bring heavy firepower too.

It's just that they are becoming support platforms and are not tip of the spear anymore. Drones are clearly the tip of the spear presently.
It's anything but drones according to this war. Apart from reconnaissance and targeting drones haven't done much for either side.
 

Bill Blazo

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The biggest news of the day is that the suburb of Vojevodivka and the Zarya factory complex have fallen to the Russians, meaning that Rubizhne is totally under Russian control (for real this time, I erroneously said that it had fallen last month). Now the Russians can attack the northern suburbs of Severodonetsk, but it will be difficult moving forward unless they can also pressure Lysychansk from the south, which they're trying to do by advancing north from Popasna and crossing the Donets River.
 
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Abominable

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The biggest news of the day is that the suburb of Vojevodivka and the Zarya factory complex have fallen to the Russians, meaning that Rubizhne is totally under Russian control (for real this time, I erroneously said that it had fallen last month). Now the Russians can attack the northern suburbs of Severodonetsk, but it will be difficult moving forward unless they can also pressure Lysychansk from the south, which they're trying to do by advancing north from Popasna and crossing the Donets River.
These all seem to be low level skirmishes. The same with the "massive" Ukrainian advance in Kharkov.
 

Bill Blazo

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These all seem to be low level skirmishes. The same with the "massive" Ukrainian advance in Kharkov.
The significance of what happened in Rubizhne is that the Russians were stalled as they were trying to advance south through the city itself. But then they outflanked the Ukrainian positions by advancing through the forest to the east of the city. It's that maneuver which set up the battles for Zarya and Vojevodivka. Those were not low-level skirmishes; they took multiple days to play out and involved heavy artillery strikes.
 
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