The War in the Ukraine

Broccoli

Senior Member
Ah yes, a Proxy that most of it ISR were handle by NATO and operated with key NATO weapons

They would get bogged down before even meeting the Russians because of the terrain

What makes you think that those equipment were operational especially those BMPs that were stored in and the ones abandoned in the middle of the forrest?

Pretty sure at that time Ukraine send only 1 T-84 and even then they couldn't finish the deal completely and the deal was signed many years ago!

You tell me that all those newish tanks and SPG's left on roads were not operational? I guess Russian military is mainly made from junk that doest work of thats true.
 

Overbom

Brigadier
Registered Member
Ah yes, a Proxy that most of it ISR were handle by NATO and operated with key NATO weapons
I have sensed a general inability from some people to answer simple questions.

So, as people proclaim that this is a NATO-Russia war, I respond back:
How many NATO aircraft, ships, divisions, brigades, tanks, is Russia fighting against?
To make it even simpler, how many F-35 is Russia currently fighting against over NATO, Ukrainian and Russian airspace?


Your attempts to portray the enemy strength so great that it makes Russian losses tolerable are childish and borderline propaganda. Call me back when the RuAF will be fighting NATO airforce, until that happens, everything that you just wrote is hot air.
 

Anlsvrthng

Captain
Registered Member
You tell me that all those newish tanks and SPG's left on roads were not operational? I guess Russian military is mainly made from junk that doest work of thats true.
In Tyndal when the hurican hit only two third of the F-22s was in flyable condition, to limp out from the base.

In a war, if the enemy stormed the airbase then third of the F-22s been lost permanently.

Similar case here, all heavy weapon need maintanancce.
 

Abominable

Major
Registered Member
It isn't a complete victory, but it will likely galvanize support for Ukraine in the coming winter months. More precision guided weaponry will no doubt find their way into the UkAF growing arsenal, adding to the woes Russian forces already face. It'd seem that Ukraine now demonstrated the capacity to interdict supplies before they arrive at the front lines. This has allowed for a fairly spectacular advance. How long before we see that bridge to Crimea being hit cutting the island off from the Mainland and drastically increasing the distance resources have to travel to get to Kherson Oblast.

Ultimately, this was was decided in the first few days when Russian forces failed to take key objectives. Everything since then has been a colossal failure and I now believe will culminate in Rusexit. I had my doubts about Ukraine being able to pull off a successful counterattack.
Why would the Ukrainian army need galvanising? They don't seem to have any major problems with morale. Western media is full on fascist controlled and only putting out a pro-Ukrainian narrative and are happy to burn their economies to keep the Ukrainian war machine going.

If the territories were so important to the Ukrainians why give them up a few months ago? They could have carried on reinforcing and resupplying units and it would have been much better.

The only reason why this suicidal offensive could be considered a good idea is to demoralise Russians into a complete collapse. That's why as well twitter and forums like here have been bombarded with bots. I think it has worked to a degree, but not enough to cause the regime change they want.

When the Russians gather their thoughts they will find themselves in a very favourable position. If reinforcements do come I hope they aren't all sent to Donbass and they actually consider opening up a new front in western Ukraine again.
 

FriedButter

Major
Registered Member
This is really pathetic for the so called 2nd strongest military in the world. Had they swallowed their pride and bought Chinese drones few years ago, they would be having military supermacy in Ukrainian skies. But now they have to resort to dropping grinades and buying crappy drones from Iran.

I don’t think they would have in the first place anyway. The Russians never really seem to put much emphasis on drones within the military until more recently.
 

drowingfish

Junior Member
Registered Member
Why insist that Russia has some military advantage in Ukraine in winter???... The invasion began in the strongest winter months (between February and March), they took the Ukrainians by surprise and still did not achieve any objective , just at the end of winter they were withdrawing from kyiv and Chernigov... The areas they took to the south was because a large part of the Ukrainian units were infiltrated and offered very little resistance... In strong combat, Russia has lost more than what you have earned in Ukraine, no matter what time of year




On the other hand, it seems that the Chinese networks have become disappointed in Russians and now it is a reason for memes

I have given this analysis before but I will put it here. if there are other members here with actual military experience and training in the winter, they will agree with my points.

1. most of ukraine's draftees were drafted and trained in the summer, seeing as they were brought in in a hurry, likely did not get any winter training or acclimation. on aggregate, russian soldiers are not draftees, they should have more experience and training operating in the winter, so they are less prone to cold injuries compared to their ukrainian counterparts.
2. winter is logistics-intensive. whereas in the summer, a soldier can survive days off of his rucksack, in the winter a soldier require winter tents, fuel for fire and light, extra food and clothing, just to survive. also note that because of the need for warm food and water, there is a higher risk of being exposed by infrared sensors.
3. because of these logistic necessities, the small team tactics that worked in the summer no longer works in the winter, forces have to be concentrated to be resupplied. so battles will favor the side with superior firepower and situational awareness. ukrainian artillery lags that of russians, as for situational awareness both sides benefit from drones, but the bulk of russian forces are often further back from the front lines so they benefit slightly more. if russia does have iranian drones coming in, then this would further tilt the balance in their favor.
4. what ukraine had going for them the last winter was that the russian forces in the north bypassed cities and settlements, allowing them operate out of these urban strongholds to hit the russian supply line. the fighting in donbass now has turned into positional warfare and barring some crazy turn of events will remain so for the winter, so the factors I have listed above will play a more critical role. ukrainian units are likely going to prefer to pull into cities rather than freeze in trenches, which will give the russians better freedom of movement. as I have said before russians can exploit this only if they have a bigger force, which is why between now and the winter when the ground hardens again russia would be well served to train up additional units specifically prepared for winter fighting.
 
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