The War in the Ukraine
- Thread starter SampanViking
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That was one massive explosion, I wonder if it was loaded with ammo or got hit with something else. Also, it'd be nice to know if that was a DPR point or Ukr one, because you can see a T-64BV and another unidentified tank at around 1:59
It is at Mariupol. The reporter was going to visit the evacuation corridor at Azovstal. Also, the reporter says there are Ukraining guerrilla forces and snipers active in the area.
solarz
Brigadier
ASPI? Really?For the sake of argument, let's say the following map is actually what is happening. I know most of you will quibble - and may, in fact, be right - but for the moment, let's say it is true.
Consider this a thought experiment. Humor me, please. The group as a whole has done so pretty well.
It appears the Ukrainians are aiming for clearing out the Russian troops around Kharkov and then pushing to the east. The objective - to my not so humble opinion - would be to capture the rail lines to hamper Russian logistics. The first of these would appear to be Vovchansk, imo. The others seem logical to follow if you look at the rail lines.
This would accomplish two objectives. The first is to cut off supplies to the offensives coming south at Izyum. The second force the Russians to pull back from those same offensives to prevent those supply lines from being cut. That would relieve pressure being placed by those offensives. That would buy more time: allowing for more equipment to move forward to the frontlines and training of more troops on western equipment.
How successful could the Ukrainians be by pursuing a logistics based strategy? Could it forestall an armored assault when the fields finally dry? Do the Russians have sufficient forces to drive back the Ukrainians from both the Izyum side and along the very obvious axis of attack along the rail lines? Could the Russians be forced into another retreat like Kiev and, seemingly now, around Kharkov?
Now then, take a step back, how do we set some falsifiable test criteria? How would we tell one way or around if Ukrainian offensive to take the rail lines was actually happening?
Tu-22M3 attack jets
Mi-28N combat helicopters
Su-35S combat jets
Iskander-K cruise missiles
Mi-28N combat helicopters
Su-35S combat jets
Iskander-K cruise missiles
Whatever got hit with by the Kh-22's certainly had a bad day, thats almost a 1 ton warhead travelling at Mach 3.
That argument about it being an old Cold War missile is dumb, though, considering the russians have kept them up to date, being one of their main anti-CVBG weapons. Also, I remember it had an anti-radiation variant to make it SEAD viable.
That argument about it being an old Cold War missile is dumb, though, considering the russians have kept them up to date, being one of their main anti-CVBG weapons. Also, I remember it had an anti-radiation variant to make it SEAD viable.
By the available data/pictural evidences the Russian side has higher quality information closer to truth.
And the Russians have way less waaaaay less capable CGI and entertraintment industry to fake information.