The War in the Ukraine

So, the Ukranians stopped pushing completely in the Kherson?. Got tired of winning in the south?

One of the telegram accounts mentioned Kiev decided to take resources out of what's left of the "victorious" Kherson offensive to Kharkiv, which seems to be the case looking at this map.




Which in my opinion as an armchair general, seems like a mistake. Yeah, you might have the initiative in Kharkiv right now but you are also WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more close to Russia, so reinforcements will take far less to get there than than to Kherson and less of strain logistically.

Also, a field day for the RuAF to launch attacks without even crossing the border

Atomicfrog said:

Ukrainians forces are making a all or nothing fight before winter it seems. Izyum have quite a forest cover to the north west. Way easier to move under a forest than in the fields directly north and south...

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The Russians fell for the Ukrainian feint. They moved all their troops south when the real attack was in the East.

They still don't have interior lines of control and they don't have enough troops to hold the front. Now that there is no hope of a Donbass cauldron encircling the Ukrainians, the Russians may have to abandon Kharkov oblast altogether so it can focus its meager remaining troops in Donetsk and defending Kherson...

The problem is their troops in Izyum have no main roads out left.

Atomicfrog said:

What feint ? Losing half their forces in Kherson ?

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Well the Russians main forces are in Izyum which now has no main roads left now that the M-03 road to the north is cut off. To the south is Sloviansk.... these guys are f****.

Atomicfrog said:

What feint ? Losing half their forces in Kherson ?

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Now it is a feint, lol. But only on Tuesday it was:

gadgetcool5 said:

Even in my wildest dreams I did not image that not only would a Kherson offensive be successful, but a Ukrainian Donbass offensive would be successful. It seems the tide of the war has suddenly turned.

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sheogorath said:

Also, suddenly people forgot about the Kherson offensive which was also a "massive victory" a few hours ago, funny that.

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Nobody has forgotten about Kherson, only that you have forgotten to check the pro-Russian sources, like Rybar who has given information of new attacks on Russian positions... It's just a matter of seeing the news from the Russians themselves

sheogorath said:

Now it is a feint, lol. But only on Tuesday it was:

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Well it was successful, they captured more territory than my wildest dreams before Tuesday. But even on Tuesday I did not imagine they would flank the Russians in the East.

I quote from the pro-Russian Telegram channel "Intel Slava Z":

"Zelensky supported Zaluzhny's proposal to suspend the counteroffensive in the south of Ukraine and strengthen the strike on Izium. All free reserves and part of the air defense, from near Kyiv and the Dnieper, are being transferred to Kharkiv, which will become the main military and logistics hub of the Armed Forces of Ukraine," Ukrainian TG channels write.

It is reported that Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny and the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine warned the office of the President and Zelensky himself that an offensive in two strategic directions could have bad consequences. Due to the large losses in manpower and equipment, there may be a huge shortage of heavy weapons and experienced units. The personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, seeing and knowing all the "underground" (huge losses), will be morally broken if the territorial result is not achieved and retained.

At the same time, there is a huge risk that the Russian army is exhausting parts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, drawing in and knocking out the most combat-ready units. At the same time, the attempt of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation to go on the counteroffensive with a high degree of probability has a chance of success. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will no longer have reserves to contain the "onslaught" and a complete collapse of the defense will begin, at least in two strategic directions.

All reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are now thrown into the attack so that Ukrainian politicians can achieve their goals at a meeting with donors in the Ramstein format.

gadgetcool5 said:

The Russians fell for the Ukrainian feint. They moved all their troops south when the real attack was in the East.

They still don't have interior lines of control and they don't have enough troops to hold the front. Now that there is no hope of a Donbass cauldron encircling the Ukrainians, the Russians may have to abandon Kharkov oblast altogether so it can focus its meager remaining troops in Donetsk and defending Kherson...

The problem is their troops in Izyum have no main roads out left.

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Ah is this the new copium? The Kherson counteroffensive which was supposed to drive Russians out of the south and back to Crimea was actually just a feint, the real offensive is coming now... And trust! Saint himars has blocked all the bridges/roads, the Russians are cut off and have no ammo. (just like in Kherson!) Stunning!

Maybe, Ukrainians will even manage to capture more territory than they managed in the south. After all, it can't be that hard to beat a record of 0 m^2 after 3000+ losses.

Abominable said:

Agreed, Russia isn't taking this war seriously. Hence the tank biathalon and exercises in the east.

Putin is known as a master in geopolitics not warfare. He's using this war to drain America and the EU. America alone is spending more than Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined, the EU is spending more than it can afford to prop up the Ukrainian regime.

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I also thought of this. Why would Russia not strike Ukraine with overwhelming force? At first, I assumed it was to prevent collateral damage to Ukrainian brothers who remember their heritage and will not be mentally poisoned by the West but with Russia itself losing troops and equipment to fight Ukraine, it doesn't seem to balance. The value of those Russian soldiers and Russia's economy should outweight whatever there is in Ukraine. Besides, a swift victory can, in the long term, reduce casualty. But the Russians will not do it. It's like they keep playing with Ukraine, a very expensive game. So, I wonder if the plan is to drag the conflict out to drain the US and much more the EU. If Russia, the EU, and the US (to a lesser degree) are all tired and drained, the benefactor will be China and China is on Russia's side. Economically, if Russia can neutralize the EU and significantly hamper its ability to aid the US in an economic attack on China, it will be punching way above its weigh class (economically speaking). America relies on its punk henchmen to fight China; it has no chance competing with China on its own power. Russia knows that its economy and technology cannot compete with the US or EU; but in a world where China is dominant, it can rise above them as China's partner. If so, this would be Russia truly putting a huge investment and amount of trust in China but betting on China is the only gamble that would give them a chance.

Atomicfrog said:

What feint ? Losing half their forces in Kherson ?

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You're talking to a guy who looks at a map of the dick of Kherson totally gone and he goes, "Ah, so the Ukrainians have encircled the Russians from two fronts and now Russia is in trouble! The tide has turned (again)!" Nobody has any idea what imaginary map in his mind he's looking at LOL

Sheleah said:

Nobody has forgotten about Kherson, only that you have forgotten to check the pro-Russian sources, like Rybar who has given information of new attacks on Russian positions

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I just posted that map up there, and there is only a single push on that entire front, no matter how you spin it. Specially when a few days ago it looked like this