The War in the Ukraine

solarz

Brigadier
Yup, it was a monumental fuck up. I was perplexed by Putin's decision to start the war in the first place, now it seems to me his decision was partly due to increasing likelihood of Ukraine joining NATO on the one hand and partly prompt by false assessment of Ukrainian resolve on the other....

Which begs the question, where did Russia get the intelligence that Ukraine will fold easily? If they've had realistic assessment would Putin start the war?

Hmmm... I'm smelling conspiracy

You have to realize that Russia has been heavily infiltrated by the CIA since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Maybe even before. There's still a wide swathe of the Russian demography that looks up to the West as a role model.
 

pmc

Major
Registered Member
I doubt that case. If any foreign country has infiltration this invasion would not have happened and neither changes in Middleast that would sent millions into Turkey and Europe and make them more depended on Russia. only very strong system can achieve this result. This is not for second rate powers. even division of Libya and its lack of boosting oil supply to Europe is part of it
 

Bill Blazo

Junior Member
Registered Member
Has anyone heard anything about Bilohorivka today? Last I heard the Russians were attempting to cross the Donets River near there. Some pro-Ukrainian sources were saying all the Russian pontoon bridges were destroyed, some pro-Russian sources were saying the Russians were still crossing and there's a fight underway for Bilohorivka itself, as well as some other nearby villages. It's a total fog of war right now in that sector. There's lots of satellite images showing fires in the area, but that could just be long-range artillery strikes. Doesn't necessarily imply street-to-street infantry fighting. This apparently seems to be the sector to watch right now, as the Russians try to outflank the Ukrainian army in the SLR metroplex (SLR meaning Severodonetsk-Rubizhne-Lysyschank). One thing I've noticed lately is the Russians starting to get more creative in their use of geography. Two examples of that are the amphibious landings in AzovStal, where they occupied the high hills in the south overlooking the entire factory complex, and the assault on southern Rubizhne, which happened after the Russians crossed through a dense forest. As the ground in Eastern Ukraine gets drier, we can expect to see more "off-roading" by the Russians, which is something they desperately need to do since they've been quite predictable for much of this war by just driving down major highways.
 

lucretius

Junior Member
Registered Member
I don't think anyone knew what would happen the moment Russia invaded. Having a lot of USSR era people in power who remembered the Ukraine as a region culturally close to Russia didn't help. Like the middle east and ISIS, the Ukraine has undergone a lot of American induced nazification over the past 20 years.

Starting a war was the right move, it was clear NATO had plans to invade and regime change Russia. The only question is does Putin have what it takes to finish the war.

NATO is a defensive alliance. Russia on the other hand has invaded plenty of its neighbors.
 

lucretius

Junior Member
Registered Member
Has anyone heard anything about Bilohorivka today? Last I heard the Russians were attempting to cross the Donets River near there. Some pro-Ukrainian sources were saying all the Russian pontoon bridges were destroyed, some pro-Russian sources were saying the Russians were still crossing and there's a fight underway for Bilohorivka itself, as well as some other nearby villages. It's a total fog of war right now in that sector. There's lots of satellite images showing fires in the area, but that could just be long-range artillery strikes. Doesn't necessarily imply street-to-street infantry fighting. This apparently seems to be the sector to watch right now, as the Russians try to outflank the Ukrainian army in the SLR metroplex (SLR meaning Severodonetsk-Rubizhne-Lysyschank). One thing I've noticed lately is the Russians starting to get more creative in their use of geography. Two examples of that are the amphibious landings in AzovStal, where they occupied the high hills in the south overlooking the entire factory complex, and the assault on southern Rubizhne, which happened after the Russians crossed through a dense forest. As the ground in Eastern Ukraine gets drier, we can expect to see more "off-roading" by the Russians, which is something they desperately need to do since they've been quite predictable for much of this war by just driving down major highways.
 
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