The War in the Ukraine

sheogorath

sheogorath

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lucretius said:
At this point, both sides are lobbing unguided rockets essentially like artillery. If they felt they could get any closer/higher to allow precision targeting, than they would.
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In the case of the Ka-52, they do have ballistic computers which allows them to calculate the angle and release point of the rockets to blanket an specific area. You can even see them on the HUDs videos.

The Ukranians with their Mi-8's are indeed eyeballing it, though.
 
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XiDada

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I don't understand how anyone thinks the Russians are winning. They're not losing, but they sure as shit aren't winning:
  • They've sustained almost a 1:1 casualties ratio in spite of fire superiority
  • They've lost 5000+ military vehicles, and this from visual confirmation
  • LPR/DPR are scraping the bottom of the barrel for manpower, and Russia isn't exactly doing that much better at it either.
 
ficker22

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XiDada said:
I don't understand how anyone thinks the Russians are winning. They're not losing, but they sure as shit aren't winning:
  • They've sustained almost a 1:1 casualties ratio in spite of fire superiority
  • They've lost 5000+ military vehicles, and this from visual confirmation
  • LPR/DPR are scraping the bottom of the barrel for manpower, and Russia isn't exactly doing that much better at it either.
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Well I mean, the ukraine is definetely not winning either, and choosing from the two of them, Russia is the one less loosing.
 
FairAndUnbiased

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XiDada said:
I don't understand how anyone thinks the Russians are winning. They're not losing, but they sure as shit aren't winning:
  • They've sustained almost a 1:1 casualties ratio in spite of fire superiority
  • They've lost 5000+ military vehicles, and this from visual confirmation
  • LPR/DPR are scraping the bottom of the barrel for manpower, and Russia isn't exactly doing that much better at it either.
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The 5000 military vehicles lost includes abandoned vehicles which may have been recovered or repaired. Abandoned doesn't mean permanently lost. It is only permanently lost if destroyed or captured and repaired.

We don't really know what the casualty ratio is because it was shown many times that Ukrainian forces just mark people as missing or deserter. Ukrainian forces are falling back meaning they have little capability to conduct battle damage assessment. This is the same problem faced in Korea and Vietnam.
 
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XiDada

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Stealthflanker said:
Do we have any official number on Russian casualty tho ?
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Whatever source I cite will just be dismissed by most people here as "westoid propaganda" and it's not like Russia is going to come clean about their losses either.

The only thing we can conclusively say is that there are tens of thousands of casualties, thousands of pieces of equipment loss, and a devastated economy for both countries.
 
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MortyandRick

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XiDada said:
I don't understand how anyone thinks the Russians are winning. They're not losing, but they sure as shit aren't winning:
  • They've sustained almost a 1:1 casualties ratio in spite of fire superiority
  • They've lost 5000+ military vehicles, and this from visual confirmation
  • LPR/DPR are scraping the bottom of the barrel for manpower, and Russia isn't exactly doing that much better at it either.
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Are you referring to onyx for the 5000+ vehicle loss number?

And in terms of LPR and DPR scraping the bottom of the barrel, what has Ukraine done for mobilization? I think they are on their 4th round of mobilization.

You complain that we call out what you say as western propaganda but your lamenting that we are influenced by Russian propaganda, so why bother trying to change our minds when there is no way we can change your mind.
 
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XiDada

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FairAndUnbiased said:
The 5000 military vehicles lost includes abandoned vehicles which may have been recovered or repaired. Abandoned doesn't mean permanently lost. It is only permanently lost if destroyed or captured and repaired.
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Of the 5000 vehicle loss cited on Oryx, only a few hundred are marked as abandoned. We've not seen any evidence of Russian vehicle recovery teams recovering any of their abandoned vehicles, and most of the abandoned vehicles took place in the west during their failed thunder run on Kiev so it's not like those are getting recovered anytime soon.
 
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MortyandRick

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XiDada said:
Of the 5000 vehicle loss cited on Oryx, only a few hundred are marked as abandoned. We've not seen any evidence of Russian vehicle recovery teams recovering any of their abandoned vehicles, and most of the abandoned vehicles took place in the west during their failed thunder run on Kiev so it's not like those are getting recovered anytime soon.

You can see the number that the Russians themselves have admitted for their economy here:
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Russian economy is only "resilient" because it was already in a sorry state to start with and can't get much lower. But their long term prospect for growth is under very real threat.
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Firstly oryx is not balanced and white biased. This we discussed in depth earlier in the thread. So I would take those numbers with a huge pinch of salt. Do you believe oryx's numbers for the number of vehicles Ukraine lost? If so, I have bridge to sell you.

We can argue all day about this but in the end I don't want the thread to be shut down. Let's stick to facts. Where has Ukraine gained ground since the Russian withdrawal from Kiev?
 
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