The War in the Ukraine

Janiz said:

Would be a nice little gift from the US.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1562116054838558721

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Don't worry. Ukrainians will be paying all these "gifts" back in due time, either by giving up their rights, land, farms, industrial capability, to multinational corporations controlled by US and London oligarchs who will export all the wealth abroad, or through heavy taxation. Probably both.

This isn't free money, Ukrainians of today and the future ones not even born yet are being soaked of their wealth and future, just like the rest of us in the western world are everyday.

Enjoy your paradise sweety

sheogorath said:

With 80% actually going to weapons manufacturers to replenish NATO stocks...in 30 years and only 20% going to Ukraine in the way of increasingly outdated weapons as they starting sending 105mm howitzers and TOWs.

On the way to increasing ISISfication of the UAF.



Japan. Guess Khalkin-Gol wasn't enough.

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When I saw that they are sending out the 105mm towed guns to Ukraine, I thought they truly hit the bottom of the barrel. Physically, there is nothing wrong with it, but this is no different than the laughter at the T-62s being dusted off.

TOW is not too bad, but it is certainly no "St. Javelin" as the meme brigades like to worship. Chief shortcoming is lack of fire-and-forget feature which puts operators in harm's way.

The big shortcomings with the 105mm are range and mobility. We've already seen many M777 captured or destroyed. If the footage of the M777 was false, then there would be no need to send anything so much less capable.

While ultimate Russian success/failure at this point can be argued, it is undeniable that the cost of the NATO weapons is off the charts.

Phead128 said:

6-month anniversary of the SMO, and Donestk's People's Republic has not been liberated yet.... even though it was one of the original objectives of the SMO?

At this rate, I don't think Russia is going to go for Odessa, Kharkiv, or Kiev. It's probably going to declare victory after DPR is liberated, then annex the currently occupied territories. The correct strategy would be regime change at all cost, even mass mobilization.

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Yes. Full mobilization and walk Russia straight into the jaws of the rusting NATO economic trap that's been laying abandoned for months now. Every Russophobes wet dream

I really don't think it's going to happen at this point. If anything we'll see combined ops with militia wagner and Belarussians joining the fight before that. That's my feeling

Phead128 said:

6-month anniversary of the SMO, and Donestk's People's Republic has not been liberated yet.... even though it was one of the original objectives of the SMO?

At this rate, I don't think Russia is going to go for Odessa, Kharkiv, or Kiev. It's probably going to declare victory after DPR is liberated, then annex the currently occupied territories. The correct strategy would be regime change at all cost, even mass mobilization.

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Look man, its my fault, I had made countless posts from day 1-2 of the war when I realised that something was fishy with how Russia started the war. Wrote a lot of stuff which have been proven true.
However as an idiot, I unfortunately forgot to bookmark them...

What I remember clearly though is when I posted this quote on day 2 (i think) after seeing how Russia and Putin were half-clowning the war like drunk sailors. Still as much relevant today as it was on February:

Overbom said:

Look man, its my fault, I had made countless posts from day 1-2 of the war when I realised that something was fishy with how Russia started the war. Wrote a lot of stuff which have been proven true.
However as an idiot, I unfortunately forgot to bookmark them...

What I remember clearly though is when I posted this quote on day 2 (i think) after seeing how Russia and Putin were half-clowning the war like drunk sailors. Still as much relevant today as it was on February:
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They really should've pulled a sino-vietnamese war and go back to Feb 24th line after "Punishing the Nazis". It would've brought a quick end to the war while also destroying a fair chunk of Ukranian hardware as the West would not be so eager to supply Ukraine when they're not actively fighting, now Russia is stuck in a quagmire with only one real card to play against Europe of which is the energy supply, if the EU survive this winter that card becomes effectively useless as they re-pivot the energy sector.

I think that the Russians did not know they were going to war; but the CIA did. The CIA did know that London and Washington would achieve their purpose: to arouse the wrath of Russia.

I think that the Russian ruling class did not see the degree of fanaticism that had been reached in London and Washington and did not see that in the European capitals there were only rag puppets. And at the last moment, faced with a wall of silence and contempt, they threw in the towel.

US embassy made another statement.

The United States said it believed Russia would target civilian and government infrastructure in the next few days. U.S. citizens should leave Ukraine "now" by their own means if it was safe to do so, the U.S. Embassy said.

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Tho I don’t know what exactly would be any different than the usual Russian artillery and missile strikes. Guess we will see if any new types of targets are hit or if it’s the usual daily strikes.

Phead128 said:

6-month anniversary of the SMO, and Donestk's People's Republic has not been liberated yet.... even though it was one of the original objectives of the SMO?

At this rate, I don't think Russia is going to go for Odessa, Kharkiv, or Kiev. It's probably going to declare victory after DPR is liberated, then annex the currently occupied territories. The correct strategy would be regime change at all cost, even mass mobilization.

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Alexander Mercouris of you tube and Duran locals , is of the opinion that a full Russian mobilization will be seen as a defeat for Russia and a loss of support from the Global South.

FriedButter said:

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US embassy made another statement.



Tho I don’t know what exactly would be any different than the usual Russian artillery and missile strikes. Guess we will see if any new types of targets are hit or if it’s the usual daily strikes.

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WTF US citizens are still in Ukraine beside mercenaries... and mercenaries being killed is quite normal.

B.I.B. said:

Alexander Mercouris of you tube and Duran locals , is of the opinion that a full Russian mobilization will be seen as a defeat for Russia and a loss of support from the Global South.

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Seriously people, why would the Russians resort to a mobilization of its population when it's doing just fine using wagner and locals who actually want autonomy enough they risk their lives for it, to do the dirty work supported by Russian professional forces?

People need to stop dreaming that the Russians are desperate to pull all stops and go full blast with tanks into javelins and aircraft into manpads and hidden SPAAGS with full around the clock instantaneous nato ISR support from rivet joints and awacs

Please for my own sanity stop talking about this mythical economic and political suicide that's not going to happen. PLEASE

Instead let's relish the fact that this will likely go on at the current pace for a long time and we can trash talk each side during the whole episode.