Yes, my mistake, now I saw that it says Zaporozhye region, not Zaporozhye nuclear power plant.
According to Reuters, the cause may be expired canned meat.
The War in the Ukraine
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Yes, my mistake, now I saw that it says Zaporozhye region, not Zaporozhye nuclear power plant.
According to Reuters, the cause may be expired canned meat.
It's not NATO (i.e. America) who wants to escalate the conflict. If America to have a nuclear war, it would have happened by now.
I wouldn't trust the deluded Article 5 claims of British or Polish politicians. Only America has a say on the matter.
With UK politicians it's the same except with delusions of the British empire.
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Dude, avoiding attritional warfare was not my 'my idea'.
It was Russia's own idea. And it was the right idea!
The question is how/why it didn't work.
That's why the "lessons" thread exists, where everyone is discussing this.
These weapons are incredibly difficult to neutralize or even supress in time unless you have constantly aircraft in the air able to quickly deliver (i mean from identification to neutralization in about 5 minutes, before the target disappears into a dense forest)
So what do you do when there is credible threat of air defence scattered anywhere in the country?
Do you risk your expensive aircraft to perform combat patrols over any number if potential air defence means? Do you risk even more expensive stealth aircrafts that arent invisible at all, and quite detectable at various angles? what happens when you lose one of these?
Thats a heavy hit to morale for your frint line soldiers to see your Su57s, F22, or B2s arent invincible.
These systems, some people say they are outdated and it all should be done from the air, but those same people watched or studied only conflicts between disproportiantely matched beligerents, as was mentioned here earlier.
Ukraine and Russia no matter how you slice it are peer level adversaries that have or had, very similar capabilities. This is a kind of war that nobody alive today has witnessed
And one thing for sure is that NATO war planners greatly underestimated Russian capabilities when they were planning and preparing to get this war started
They can always buy Canadian and American LNG! I mean it ain't cheap but it gets them thru winter.
Underestimated? Can you explain how NATO initially thought Russia would fare? Wouldn't most say they were overestimated?
You have to first understand key concepts of ground tactics like cover, concealment and maneuver. It is very difficult to find and target mobile targets from the air in terrain that provides cover and concealment.
NATO without US doesn't have the capability to even sustain a campaign against Libya.
Libya has terrain that offers no cover or concealment from the air. It has clear weather for easy employment of laser guided bombs from altitude.
Ukraine is heavily forested with snow and rain for 8 months of the year.
Even all of NATO against Serbia, a country surrounded by NATO, totally cut off from supply, with 100% AWAC coverage, only really managed to destroy a dozen tanks, thanks to its terrain with cover and concealment.
And in this scenario, don't forget about Russia shipping weapons to Ukraine.
It was thought Russia would be crippled by sanctions, and thus the military would be no threat once it collapsed and Putin would be dragged in the streets like Ghaddaffi.
I don't think anyone ever thought we'd be seeing what we're watching today or Ukraine would have had all these cool wunderwaffe from NATO countries before this war.
Javelins were supposed to be all they needed to stop the Russian Fulda gap push, however they forgot to check where the Fulda gap is. These same idiots still think the Soviet Union exists yet there are people breathing air that take their words as gospel
Over estimated? Oh for sure, by a few internet Twitter dorks that never left their moms basement never mind ever handled or cared for a rifle in their lives
To add to what I was saying, sanctions were supposed to unleash an internal revolt across Russian territories on ethnic lines. It didn't work, and Russians are now more united than since the USSR great propaganda machine and KGB "keep them honest" guys existed.
That was a massive miscalculation by NATO war planners, hugely underestimating the resolve of average Russians. That's not even touching underestimation of military capabilities
We got outplayed at every turn, and the evidence for that is right here for everyone to see themselves. The deciding factor of general perception is how things are presented to the less inclined audience
Hitlers nazis also underestimated Russians in the exact same ways. Curious isn't that?
You start having this superiority complex and that is the greatest weakness. It opens the door for a whole array of miscalculation. Because the control is fundamentally flawed. You don't conduct war against Russia pretending they are some African or Middle East dust bin without means to hit back really hard
That was a massive miscalculation by NATO war planners, hugely underestimating the resolve of average Russians. That's not even touching underestimation of military capabilities
We got outplayed at every turn, and the evidence for that is right here for everyone to see themselves. The deciding factor of general perception is how things are presented to the less inclined audience
Hitlers nazis also underestimated Russians in the exact same ways. Curious isn't that?
You start having this superiority complex and that is the greatest weakness. It opens the door for a whole array of miscalculation. Because the control is fundamentally flawed. You don't conduct war against Russia pretending they are some African or Middle East dust bin without means to hit back really hard
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Doesn’t help that the West went full xenophobia. Putin telling the domestic public that the West wants to destroy them for years. Then the West goes and proves that.
Even the Russians who hate Putin were shocked at the rapid western xenophobia. Now you got the latest calls to ban all Russians from travelling.
How are you going to convince anyone in Russia that the West supports “freedom” and “democracy” while at the same time continuing the path to treat Russians as sub-human.