The War in the Ukraine

Stealthflanker

Senior Member
Registered Member
troops are not being mobilised yet in europe so I still think it's a ploy to force russia to end the hostilities before winter comes

Why before winter ? It's not like Europe will running out gas or unable to buy gas elsewhere. Everyone i see so far at least those military watchers at twitter and other social media are all believe it's Russia that will run out of steam first before Europe or US.
 

solarz

Brigadier
I think we need to be objective and realistic and not fall into the same trap of underestimating the opposition as the west has done with Russia.

NATO would have absolutely wrecked Ukraine in a conventional war because the Ukrainian military is precisely what NATO has been tailor made to fight against, and in territory that is very favourable to western favoured air wars. Sure, soviet AD were also tailored against NATO, but Ukraine’s AD have not been upgraded much since soviet times while NATO TacAir have been continuously upgraded and entire new generations have enter service since.

Ukraine is a powerful conventional land army designed to fight powerful conventional land armies. They might be firing thousands of shells a day, but that artillery power would mean absolutely nothing against NATO air power.

Although Russian TacAir has been conspicuous with its absence lately in this war due to early losses to Ukraine AD, those losses were still fairly light in number and percentage and was as much a result of a lack of the right tools by the Russians as it is because of the vast soviet AD systems Ukraine inherited from the USSR. Modern NATO SEAD and DEAD capabilities would have been far harder for their soviet era gear to perform favourable against.

Would NATO have suffered losses? Undoubtedly, and probably heavier losses than since Vietnam, but would it have been enough to stop NATO from eventually gaining air dominance and then curbstomping the Ukraine army from the air? I can’t see how.

There's also the fact that NATO would have indiscriminately bombed civilian population centers into ruins much like they did in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc. In contrast, the Russian military has so far avoided such indiscriminate bombings and the Ukrainians were able to stash a lot of military supplies in civilian homes.
 

Overbom

Brigadier
Registered Member
Russia's military strategy and competency is a shambles for how much hype the Russian PR machine gave to its military.

However, a kinda unexpected benefit of this shambolic showing is that at this point, paradoxically, dragging out the war to the winter is actually more beneficial to Russia than ending it after April/May (but before winter).

In my opinion the choices for Russia were either a lightning quick war which obviously Russia's joke of military can't do, or dragging it out to winter to maximise the pressure to European countries and NATO. So, while disappointed that I have to watch daily this "powerful" military try to do something competently, I am content knowing that the key point for the war will most likely be the winter.
 

baykalov

Senior Member
Registered Member

This appears to be a fake.

What is the connection with botulinum toxin!?

I suffer from hyperhidrosis (my hands are leaking water) and over a four month period I have had massive amounts of botulinum toxin injected into my hands, which stops my hands from sweating.

Botox or botulinum toxin is used to smooth out lines and wrinkles by injecting it into the muscles of the face to stop their movement for a short time.

Botulinum toxin, also called the "miracle toxin," is a neurotoxin produced by the bacteria Clostridium botulinum. It is known to block nerve signals that contract muscles resulting in a temporary paralysis of the muscles. Toxins type A and B have been extensively studied and utilized in the realm of beauty and cosmetology. Initially, the toxin gained popularity as a disease-causing "poison". It was only later that it found its way to becoming a must have in modern aesthetic practice. Today, this wonder toxin has proven to be an apt and convenient option in the field of anti-aging medicine.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
 

Mohsin77

Senior Member
Registered Member
How sadly typical to ascribe a near-universally known fact by all mankind since the very first wars to a white man just because his words are most commonly used in the western dominated world to today.

This has nothing to do with Moltke being white. All that happened here is that you used a quote out of context, without knowing what the quote actually meant. Accusing me of Orientalism is just a ridiculous (and disappointing) attempt at salvaging that error. I expected better of you dude.... Like, seriously? To be clear: If I was an Orientalist, then I would be busy shooting myself in the head, rather than arguing here with you lolz


Are you honestly not following what is going on in this war?! I had let similar remarks go before because I just assumed it was a weird turn of phrase, but do you actually not understand what is happening on the ground?!

Because it looks like you think the Russians are engaging in a classic battle of attrition of just evenly or even disadvantagedly trading lives with the Ukrainians because they got more blood to spare. That’s a battle of attrition and it is very much NOT how the Russians are fighting and winning this war.

What the Russians are doing is attritioning away the manpower and equipment of the armed forces of Ukraine while minimising their own losses at the expense of time.

The Russians are neither bogged down or taking unsustainable losses, it’s the Ukrainians who are running short of everything and consistently losing ground. It’s a slow grind for sure, and not as ‘sexy’ as western thunder runs, but it’s undeniable effective and also provides enormous economic and political advantages to Russia as winter approaches.


The Russians initially tried that and failed due to their botched penny-pinching BTG ‘modernisation’ attempt. But they demonstrated great initiative and adaptability to very quickly reconfigure their entire war strategy and turn things around very quickly.

Rather than recognise that things had movement on, you seem to just be hang up on how the Russians are not doing revolutionary tacticalKool warfare and have little to offer beyond pointless nit picking and moaning how things aren’t going perfectly.

.... sigh.

You already agreed that Russia was relying on attrition to win in your previous post, so there's no point in going backwards at this point. Your new definition of what Russia is doing is still the actual definition of attritional warfare i.e. exhausting the enemy to win. It is the stupidest form of warfare. And by the way, Sun Tzu also hated it, so at least listen to him if you're not going to listen to me, or Moltke or whoever.

Stop with this politician-like behavior, where you just switch words around to excuse operational mistakes.


If you don’t like how the Russians are conducting this war, how about you suggest how they could have done better?

I did, on multiple threads, but specifically the "lessons" thread (because that thread exists exactly for this purpose.) I posted detailed bullet points there a few months ago and I even posted an overarching concern just yesterday.

What you're doing is even worse than attritional warfare, it's redundant warfare.
 

MortyandRick

Senior Member
Registered Member
This appears to be a fake.

What is the connection with botulinum toxin!?

I suffer from hyperhidrosis (my hands are leaking water) and over a four month period I have had massive amounts of botulinum toxin injected into my hands, which stops my hands from sweating.

Botox or botulinum toxin is used to smooth out lines and wrinkles by injecting it into the muscles of the face to stop their movement for a short time.



Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
...... Are you saying that Botox poisoning doesn't exist? Because I can assure it does and kills people every year. That's why you have to be careful with honey.
 

PhSt

Junior Member
Registered Member
I did, on multiple threads, but specifically the "lessons" thread (because that thread exists exactly for this purpose.) I posted detailed bullet points there a few months ago and I even posted an overarching concern just yesterday.

What you're doing is even worse than attritional warfare, it's redundant warfare.

If I may chime in, I don't know the exact numbers of military planners and strategists the Russian mod employs, but there is a very small probability that they didn't come up with similar ideas like yours, so the question now is, why didn't they considered such options?
 

baykalov

Senior Member
Registered Member
...... Are you saying that Botox poisoning doesn't exist? Because I can assure it does and kills people every year. That's why you have to be careful with honey.

Botulism is a disease that is caused by toxins produced by Clostridium botulinum bacteria.

What is the connection to the Zaporizhzhya nuclear plant in the tweet quoted?
 

MortyandRick

Senior Member
Registered Member
Botulism is a disease that is caused by toxins produced by Clostridium botulinum bacteria.

What is the connection to the Zaporizhzhya nuclear plant in the tweet quoted?
What? The tweet didn't say anything about the toxin coming from the Zaporizhzhya nuclear plant. It accused the Ukrainians of using it as biologic/chemical warfare to infect troops near that village. Which is plausible.
 
Top