No, that is what was being sold to the public. Actual staff planning would not count on Russia steamrolling a country 1/3 it's population, 1/3 active duty military and 1/8 it's GDP. That's about the same ratio as Iran vs Iraq in 1980.
The War in the Ukraine
- Thread starter SampanViking
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Soldiers of PMC Wagner spoke about the battles in Ukraine with the elite units of the Ukrainian army near Bakhmut. And the situation with the wounded and dead of the Ukrainian army. (video with subtitles)
Episode of the battle in Ukraine. Paratrooper units on BMD-4M airborne combat vehicles seized an advantageous line and ambushed a Ukrainian reconnaissance group. Then, with the help of the BMD-4M, a column of armored vehicles of Ukraine was attacked near the forest belt, which was moving towards the positions of the airborne units. Armament of the BMD-4M: 100 mm rifled gun 2A70, four ATGM "Arkan", 30 mm gun 2A72 and 7.62 mm PKTM machine gun.
Episode of the battle in Ukraine. Paratrooper units on BMD-4M airborne combat vehicles seized an advantageous line and ambushed a Ukrainian reconnaissance group. Then, with the help of the BMD-4M, a column of armored vehicles of Ukraine was attacked near the forest belt, which was moving towards the positions of the airborne units. Armament of the BMD-4M: 100 mm rifled gun 2A70, four ATGM "Arkan", 30 mm gun 2A72 and 7.62 mm PKTM machine gun.
Yeah... Bunker buster bomb.. delivered via ????
Ukraine gonna magically spawn Tu-22 or reviving Tu-160 monument ? Or maybe finally spawn Hrim/Grom II.
It's not the best interest for both parties be it Russia and hopefully Ukraine too for something bad to happen in Zaphorizia NPP. The reactor is inherently safe VVER design but release of radioactive steam or core meltdown can cause disaster and disruption in power production.
Ukraine gonna magically spawn Tu-22 or reviving Tu-160 monument ? Or maybe finally spawn Hrim/Grom II.
It's not the best interest for both parties be it Russia and hopefully Ukraine too for something bad to happen in Zaphorizia NPP. The reactor is inherently safe VVER design but release of radioactive steam or core meltdown can cause disaster and disruption in power production.
NATO will not get involved any further in the Ukraine war, the chances of NATO directly going in Ukraine against the Russian military are 0%.
If the US/Poland etc.. attack Russian forces then that would be the final nail in the coffin of article 5.
Those random MPs say whatever they want because they have no responsibility, heck there where some US politicians who were demanding that the US should nuke Russia, that is all meaningless talk for internal consumtion so they can look tough.
If the US/Poland etc.. attack Russian forces then that would be the final nail in the coffin of article 5.
Those random MPs say whatever they want because they have no responsibility, heck there where some US politicians who were demanding that the US should nuke Russia, that is all meaningless talk for internal consumtion so they can look tough.
Black Shark
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Well, you are at least wrong on the last part about in whoms interest that is. Ukrainians will drop a nuke on Kiew if the Pentagon tells them to. It is a brain dead country blind from hatred and will justify and has justified everything just to vilify the russians. That is best example that they would do anything.
And now the Chihuahas are chapping about Article 5. The biggest joke is NATO with its article 5. Better call it Article "Marsch Marsch na Farsch."
Ukraine already try to drag NATO into direct fight with whole Zaporizhia NPP tensions. They lose nothing by shelling NPP.
Putin is on record saying that they will not even get time to blink their eyes the moment they execute article 5.
You think someone whose life's guiding principle is "if a fight is inevitable strike first" would wait for NATO to come at Russia?
Black Shark
Junior Member
It's not Ukraine but US who tries to do this. It will be not US sitting in front trenches getting mauled down by Russian Artillery but Poles, Czechs, Romanians and anyone stupid enough to believe in Article 5. The US will continue Twitter war, making money on PONOS countries dead bodies by providing weapons and not being part of the european theatre other than a small contingent. All while the posibility of tactical nukes striking Frankfurt, Wörms, Ozhish, Lask, Gzhicko and wherever today logicistical junctions and AEGIS shields are along with US nukes. Europe is hostage of the US with its tactical nukes. If they launch or are expected to launch from European territory, where do you think Russian tactical nukes will land first?
So many Pro-Ukrainians so eager for Article 5. You literally are playing Russian Roulette with nukes.
Yeah I know the Ukrainians are shelling it for that purpose but it won't work, NATO has no appetite to destroy article 5 by attacking the Russians.
The only case in which NATO would attack Russia is if all the leaderships in NATO are as demented as Joe Biden, that is the only case in which they would do the ultimate stupidity by attacking Russia, if they do that then the vegetable in SDF will be forced to apply for Russian citizenship.
Reactor itself is fairly well protected against 155 mm shells or HIMARS rockets. But there are two ways things may go south. First - if spent fuel storage is hit. In ZPP spent fuel stored first in special cooling pool and when most active isotopes decayed and heat generation in spent fuel dropped by few orders of magnitude spent fuel is placed in concrete containers which are stored in open air. Those containers are not as sturdy as reactor itself and can be breached by direct hit causing pollution.
Second way is to destroy reserve power (reserve power line and diesel generators) then trigger reactor stop by destroying outgoing power lines. This would cause Fukushima type event when lack of reserve power (both power lines and diesel generators were destroyed by tsunami) caused overheat of stopped reactor core (which continues to generate heat due to decay of radioactive fission products) as there is no external cooling.
The core would melt and in the end will breach the containment, causing leak of radioactive isotopes.
Fukushima was way worse than Chernobyl in terms of amount of leaked radioactive isotopes but most of those went into Pacific Ocean and were diluted so damage was limited. In case of Zaporozhye gaseous isotopes and some volatile substances will go to Europe with wind, while the rest (major part) contaminate surroundings and Dnieper river - and then Black Sea (say bye-bye to cheap Turkey resorts, though same goes for Russian, Romanian and Bulgarian resorts as well as remaining Ukrainian ones).
Triggering first event is easy - but damage will vary depending on how much containers is breached (or how much fuel rods is breached in cooling pool). It may be achieved with just few shells. Second event requires constant attacks for a prolonged time with constant target correction to destroy extra diesel generators which undoubtedly will be rushed in to keep the cooling up.
Second way is to destroy reserve power (reserve power line and diesel generators) then trigger reactor stop by destroying outgoing power lines. This would cause Fukushima type event when lack of reserve power (both power lines and diesel generators were destroyed by tsunami) caused overheat of stopped reactor core (which continues to generate heat due to decay of radioactive fission products) as there is no external cooling.
The core would melt and in the end will breach the containment, causing leak of radioactive isotopes.
Fukushima was way worse than Chernobyl in terms of amount of leaked radioactive isotopes but most of those went into Pacific Ocean and were diluted so damage was limited. In case of Zaporozhye gaseous isotopes and some volatile substances will go to Europe with wind, while the rest (major part) contaminate surroundings and Dnieper river - and then Black Sea (say bye-bye to cheap Turkey resorts, though same goes for Russian, Romanian and Bulgarian resorts as well as remaining Ukrainian ones).
Triggering first event is easy - but damage will vary depending on how much containers is breached (or how much fuel rods is breached in cooling pool). It may be achieved with just few shells. Second event requires constant attacks for a prolonged time with constant target correction to destroy extra diesel generators which undoubtedly will be rushed in to keep the cooling up.
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