The War in the Ukraine

Michaelsinodef

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Russia has a vast array of forces it could unleash on Ukraine, but for whatever idiotic reason they have decided to use this small piecemeal force and constant artillery barrage to methodically grind down the UAF skilled soldiers, which it has been doing very effectively.
It's the 'cheapest' option, albeit slow, stupid (basically like a ww1/ww2 'level' of warfare) and it is also a method with low loss (of men).
 

Black Shark

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Idea of using F-22 and F-35 as ultra-long range missile trucks which will go unnoticed could've been plausible, but there is one little technical difficulty. While those planes are stealthy enough to short wave radars used by SAMs and fighter planes for targetting and won't be visible, they are perfectly visible on long wave radars. Those cannot be used to guide missiles, but perfectly fine to locate 'stealthy' planes. And once Russian A-50 sees a plane on long wave radar but finds nothing on short-wave radar - it would instantly assume stealth planes are involved - and this means direct involvement of NATO.
This will trigger immeadiate responce, like attacks on bases in Poland and on AWACS planes nearby or maybe something else.
Wrong. There is no such a thing as being stealthy and "invisible" to radars. Even a WW2 Radar can pick up any modern "stealth" aircraft, the question is at what distance and angles. Pretending to have wunderwafflen that can do everything and go full Grey Fox on all enemy aircrafts is nothing but a wet dream settled in the marketing world and in Hollywood.
 

pmc

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Judging from well documented past precedent and whatever scarce data I could gather on current state of RuAF I think it has about 2-3 weeks of fighting in it, perhaps 4 weeks if they push it. Afterward it should collapse into a state of material "exhaustion" that will prevent it from operating above "low intensity" for several months - provided that recovery of fighting capability is conducted on terms of wartime mobilization. This prognosis of course assumes that Russia retains strategic reserve and doesn't wear it out in Ukraine. But Russia would have to be late-Third Reich insane/incompetent to do anything else and so far I think they kept the reserve intact. This is why Su-35S are rarely seen in action over Ukraine.
In Syria from one airbase Ruaf round the clock operation for one year before slow down after peace agreements.
now that airbase is greatly expanded and more bases added for operation around whole Middleast and Africa. Russia need more countries to open airspace for overflight to support much larger operation.
countries open airspace for military overflights when they see the reliability of engineering and economic strength.



 

Yommie

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F-15 and F-16 in Ukrainian air force are easy targets for Su-57. I think if the US send fighter jets to Ukrainian air force it'll have to be F-35. Donating 100 F-35 to Ukrainian air force should be sufficient for the time being.
 

Stealthflanker

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F-15 and F-16 in Ukrainian air force are easy targets for Su-57. I think if the US send fighter jets to Ukrainian air force it'll have to be F-35. Donating 100 F-35 to Ukrainian air force should be sufficient for the time being.

They're about even with Su-35 or Su-27 VKS have. The issue being that whether one side can gain BVR advantage. Ukrainian do have Western AEW support, this if allows identification can allow Ukraine to try a "100 km shot" with AMRAAM's (If C is provided) Or as far as it can go e.g 50-90 km for A and B variant.

VKS in other hand have R-77-1 or they can try Su-35+ R-37 combo to do 160 km range shot at least.

Su-57 can help but let's be real that there are just too few of it right now.

But of course BVR shot may less likely to hit due to physics as missiles are losing energy but that's one option.

Idea of using F-22 and F-35 as ultra-long range missile trucks which will go unnoticed could've been plausible, but there is one little technical difficulty.

They need a new missile. as Current AMRAAM requires those F-35's and F-22's to be inside Ukrainian airspace to utilize their range.
 

Yommie

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In Syria from one airbase Ruaf round the clock operation for one year before slow down after peace agreements.
now that airbase is greatly expanded and more bases added for operation around whole Middleast and Africa. Russia need more countries to open airspace for overflight to support much larger operation.
countries open airspace for military overflights when they see the reliability of engineering and economic strength.




Russia is still not taking the Ukrainian op seriously. Rather than focusing on Donbas, Russia is leaving a bunch of useful aircraft in Syria.
 

tokenanalyst

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Great writing. Less than expected performance is a historical characteristic of Russian Air Forces. It is a 100+ year old phenomenon only exception likely being the late-cold war era. I don't know how they could fix it without firing everyone first. Institutional practices are hard to change once established since they are contagious.
I respectfully disagree, The performance of the Russian air force in Syria was on par or superior to their Western counterparts in similar conflicts and even though the Ukrainian air force is stronger than anything that Western air forces had ever encounter, there is no need to the Russians to project all the might their air force because Ukraine is flat enough and close enough for the ground army do its job, also would be very expensive to the Russian economy to sustain a prolonged air campaign instead of using drone, missiles and artillery.
 
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