They changed their story since and said it was a Ukr Mi-8 that was being hit by Su-25. Which side is telling the truth or not I don't know.
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The War in the Ukraine
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They changed their story since and said it was a Ukr Mi-8 that was being hit by Su-25. Which side is telling the truth or not I don't know.
I find Russian artillery to be very effective, combined with PGM and missile strikes. There is some good drone coordination out there. They have been targeting logistical and transportation centers with great effect. That's causing a paralysis of supply and reinforcement, and the general sense that the Ukrainian army is becoming increasingly less mobile due to the lack of fuel.
I also find the Ukrainian military to be questionable and highly incompetent, in a way, a smaller scaled version of its incompetent Russian counterpart. Maybe even worst. Volksturm and human wave tactics, throwing untrained, underequipped people to the front where they are getting decimated, lack of proper basic material --- namely guns, bullets and food --- supplied to the front. The over reliance and promise of Wunderwaffen that turns out to be unreliable. The willingness to trade lives for every inch of the ground, whereas the Russians are willing to lose ground to conserve lives and material. If you study WW2 history of the Ostfront you will know what I mean. The most obvious and questionable decisions lie in allowing forces in the front to be encircled and trapped into bubbles, without any order of withdrawal, letting these forces to be grinded down and annihilated.
This is not to say that the Russian forces should have performed better, which they should. Its a contest of errors, both sides making bad ones.
i will give credit when it is due but Ukraine is showing strange behavior that is very identical to what happened in previous conflicts around Middleast. that make everything questionable and second guessing. i am sure German industrialist noted it.I have @pmc (aka Russian Jai Hind) on my ignore list, and it has made reading Ukraine/Russian threads a lot easier.
What are the consequence or not showing up ? If it's true, it will be a lot of fresh troops to the front, and green fresh... but probably enough to keep ground behind the front line and running supply at first.
I actually deleted that post. Maybe a fake.
I know I'm late to the party, but I'm also glad the thread is back. Looking forward to many updates and engaging conversations, as usual. Honestly the old thread was a very therapeutic gateway for me; it allowed me to get away from the hustle and bustle of everyday life and discuss something that I usually don't talk about with friends and family. So I'm really happy we get to do it again.
I'll have updates and thoughts on this unpredictable war later.
I'll have updates and thoughts on this unpredictable war later.
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I want to emphasis this. It looks like in this phase 2 of the war the objective is not really to try to take ground, but rather to inflict casualties to the Ukrainian troops in the Donbas AZO while keeping Russian causalities low. We have a propensity to measure progress by looking at which town is taken or how much the front line shifted because colouring in areas on the map is fun and easy to understand, but it doesn't look like that's what phase 2 is about.
You can see progress in that regard with the recent change in law allowing Territorial Defense Forces to deploy outside of their home area. It's a steamroller that's very slowing grinding across the AZO. If we suppose a high number: 100,000 troops inside the AZO before the launch of phase 2, if they are losing up to 1000 men a day they will have none left after 3 month, and they will be combat ineffective long before that.
Only question is how long can Russia's economy and existing military without mobilizing sustain this.