The War in the Ukraine

Janiz

Senior Member
How do people know that it is a friendly fire incident though?
Some random pro-Russian twitter account wrote that it was friendly fire if I remember it well. Of course everyone here agreed with that because it's normal that Ukrainians release videos from TB2 showing how they shoot down their own helis. In the latter of the said video the buildings on Snake Island are still standing so it seems like it was filmed before Ukrainian aircraft destroyed everything there...
What happend Snake Island surely hurts as hell...
Doesn't seem like things are getting any better for Ukraine right now. Not only did Russia end up capturing Popsnaya but also that the attack on Snake Island has been repeled despite claims for the west that that island has been taken by Ukraine from some outlets.
Great 'source'. Please, don't post those videos here. If you'd like to watch them it's ok but those videos from amateurs are completely meaningless.
 

Tam

Brigadier
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If it is true it will make it into the top ten list of wtf moment in this war....

Blue on blue moments especially from drone use shouldn't be that unusual. It has happened with US forces before.

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S*** happens. Won't be surprised if the Russians did in their own too.
 

Stealthflanker

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Well in the end, someone have to land there and take picture of the wreckage. But it seems Both Ukrainian and Russian forces aren't risking anyone there atm.
 

enroger

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Blue on blue moments especially from drone use shouldn't be that unusual. It has happened with US forces before.

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S*** happens. Won't be surprised if the Russians did in their own too.

Yeah the bigger wtf is Ukraine releasing this footage.... I'd wait for some confirmation. Whoever sent those troops fucked up, if they don't get bombed by friendly/hostile TB-2 they'd get carpet bombed by Russian depending on whichever side they're from
 

pmc

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More "fake" footage. Russia has to withdraw from there
this kind of low dive attack happen when place is practically empty. not even a machine gun that can damage a fighter.
they are not showing competence but desperation in empty places. than question arises why this TB-2 standing there to record a fighter attack. this assume this video is not made up.

when there is slight chance of air defense they use ballistic rocket launch technique or much heavier rockets to increase distance.
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plawolf

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Russia can form an AD/A2 bubble akin to an unsinkable carrier thing. It would deny Ukraine a large amount of airspace/air control if the island was properly secured by Russia.

In addition, given its location, the island would serve as a SOF base where Russia could spam attacks on Ukraine's coastline.

And, probably most importantly, if Ukraine holds the islands then it can strike a deal with NATO/US to "give" the island to NATO and thus having a stronghold in the Black Sea.

In all cases, its in Ukraine's interest that the island is not held by Russia


Dunno. Given the failed assault on the Island, I think that for now, Ukraine will be content with constant drone attacks on the island. Ultimately, if they manage to get the upper hand on air control above the island, Russia might have to withdraw

Snake island is way too small for any of that. There is no space for SAM or AShM launchers to effectively distribute to avoid incoming fire, and it is too close to the coast. You can turn that island into a parking lot if SAM launchers and a few cheap SMERCH launchers will kill it all within a few salvos.

It’s a useful piece of real estate, but it’s no Crimea.
 

Temstar

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this kind of low dive attack happen when place is practically empty. not even a machine gun that can damage a fighter.
they are not showing competence but desperation in empty places. than question arises why this TB-2 standing there to record a fighter attack. this assume this video is not made up.

when there is slight chance of air defense they use ballistic rocket launch technique or much heavier rockets to increase distance.
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The Russians have been doing this for a while now. This trick gets you much more range out of rockets on helicopter at the cost of accuracy. That said it's not as wildly inaccurate as people might think because Russians have put targeting computers on their helicopters specifically with this in mind ala cold war toss bombing. Bit of a neat trick I say.

You can say shit about RuAF's performance in this war but can't do the same for Russian's army aviation, Ka-52 have really being doing a lot of heavy lifting in this war.
 
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