The War in the Ukraine

Yommie

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After Luhank oblast, next is Donetsk oblast. The strategic plan is to gradually reduce the Kiev regime's population. Luhansk oblast has 2.1 million people. Donetsk oblast has 4.1 million people. Without these two, the Kiev regime's population falls to 37 million. Then take Kherson oblast and the Kiev regime's population falls below 36 million. This will ensure an ever shrinking pool of men from which the Kiev regime can draw upon for war.
 

Abominable

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The number of Russian PGMs being launched is nowhere near enough.

I would guess a bare minimum of 50,000 fixed aimpoints that are worth some sort of PGM.

Russia has only launched 2000 long-range missiles to-date, and there might be a few thousand more shorter-ranged PGMs launched from Russian tactical aircraft.

We're now seeing Russian aircraft and helicopters routinely using unguided munitions when PGMs would be a way better option
I don't think the world combined has that many short range ballistic missiles.
 

Phead128

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Russia is the world's largest country, it has no shortage of land, agriculture, or resources, so I don't think territory gained is a informative gauge for victory.

At this point, Russia should just do regime change. The amount of weapons/resources the US/NATO has poured into Ukraine is equivalent to a declaration of war against Russia, and leaving an pro-NATO regime intact is a strategic defeat. Russia doesn't even need to annex Western Ukraine, it should just topple the gov't in Kiev, leave a pro-Russian successor regime, and then annex the DNR/LNR/Southeast, and that is a strategic win. Anything that leaves a pro-NATO regime intact is just delaying an inevitable conflict 10 years down the line, who knows if Putin will be around to resolve it then.
 

RedMetalSeadramon

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When you produce more sophisticated products (like the Germans), most of the product cost breakdown is not due to the cost of the commodities. Yes, there is an impact with higher commodities costs, but it's manageable and everyone else is facing the same commodity costs as well.​

What is this fantasy? Energy costs are higher in Europe because of sanctions, look at gas prices in China vs Germany. Only "The WorldTM" is talking sanctions, actual countries buys Russian commodities just fine.
 

AndrewS

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I don't think the world combined has that many short range ballistic missiles.

Of course. Ballistic missiles are expensive.
The idea is that after the door has been opened, you can use lower-cost PGMs.

The US has more than 10,000 precision glide bombs and 250,000 JDAMs for this task.

So for the cost of a single DF-26 missile (est $20 Million each) - you could buy 500 SDB-1 glide-bombs ($40K each)
And there are lots of targets worth a $40K bomb.

Hence my statement that Russia doesn't have enough PGMs
 

AndrewS

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What is this fantasy? Energy costs are higher in Europe because of sanctions, look at gas prices in China vs Germany. Only "The WorldTM" is talking sanctions, actual countries buys Russian commodities just fine.

It's not fantasy, it's simply the market for gas.

Both Asia and Europe import gas from the Middle East. They use the same tankers and there is a shortage of tankers, so the delivery spot prices are roughly the same.

You can see the European and Asian LNG spot prices tracking each other below, even before the war.

iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/daily-european-month-ahead-and-asian-spot-lng-prices-january-april-2022
 

Black Shark

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The fact remains that since 2014, the Ukrainian state has solidified the idea of a separate Ukrainian identity which rejects Russian identity.
And that this Ukrainian state is being supplied and supported with enough weapons that they can continue to resist.




Well, I think Zelensky failed spectacularly in the runup to the war.

If the US government is telling you that Putin is serious about a war, and you can see over 100,000 Russian troops deployed on your borders, the sensible move is to take such a threat seriously rather than continue to poke the bear.



The estimate is that Russia has already used up 70% of its pre-war precision guided munitions in Ukraine.
Russia would be foolish to voluntarily extend the conflict to Poland, Czechia or Germany - given that the US arsenal of long-range PGMs is vastly larger.
This nation and "ethnicity" called Kokaina is younger than I am and will die faster than they would beg for. Currently Kokaina is ruled by a very loud and highly aggressive minority. This aggressive minority has already either run away from Mariupol, Kherson, Melitopol or just shut up because now the majority of people, who are not supporting Kokaina nor VSU or Nazi ideology, have started to talk and act up against Kokaina and in this environment this cockroaches will either remain silent or be dragged to trials if they act up.

Once more territory has been liberated from VSU the population will repeat this cycle until all rats have abandoned the Kokain-Express or will shut up and slowly realize that the Russians are not some Orcs, living in caves that came for Kokaina to get toilets, Nutella, Flatscreens and womens tangas. They will be subject to everyday denazification by simply hearing the other side, seeing videos of how VSU and foremost Azov and alike cockroaches have been killing their own civilian population just to portray the Russians as evil occupants.

There is for some time now a propaganda machinery within Ukraine to agitate them against all Russians and everything Russian. They are getting told the Russians kill everything, rape from few weeks old infants to high age babushkas, while ukro-politicians have denied that such things took place. They are told Russia is genociding them, while no footage of civilian casualties is shown and factually casualties amongst civilians are lower than amongst military personal.


As for the last point, I think you misunderstood me. The US told Zelensky to sabotage all negotiations to prolong the conflict, that is why the Baron of Kokaina was demanding Russia's "capitulation" while Kokaina lost 20% of its territory and 30% of its fighting capability, which today is already around 50% and Russia has minimized its casualities and keeps on rotating its fighting units to prepare as many as possible against possible NATO vs Russia war.

Russia has a lot of PGMs and is no where near of depletion. There are plenty more for decision making centers and PONOS logistics.
So, don't worry, the firework won't stop.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Of course. Ballistic missiles are expensive.
The idea is that after the door has been opened, you can use lower-cost PGMs.

The US has more than 10,000 precision glide bombs and 250,000 JDAMs for this task.

So for the cost of a single DF-26 missile (est $20 Million each) - you could buy 500 SDB-1 glide-bombs ($40K each)
And there are lots of targets worth a $40K bomb.

Hence my statement that Russia doesn't have enough PGMs
Do note that I will not comment on the avability and size of Russia's PGM arsenal that is used in Ukraine.

IIRC, someone in this forum mentioned that a Guancha commentator stated that China's stockpile of PGMs is somewhere in between that of Russia and the USA.

Personally, I think this isn't enough.

China should rapidly upgrade and expand her PGM stockpile (smart bombs and guided missiles) to, at the very least, be on par with the USA. Optimum would be to have at least 3 times that of the USA.

Remember that in case of outright hostility between China and the USA, the firepower that the US allies can bring forth to the battlefield should also be counted into the equation as well.

As we have already seen, Russia's artillery and its ammo stockpile did them a great favor on the battlefield against the Ukrainians simply by its sheer size = absolute numerical superiority.

Here, I hope China would take this important lesson from Russia into mind.
 
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baykalov

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It is obvious that Russia is running low on PGMs of all sorts.

The Russians are launching up to thousand projectiles an hour, their resources are limitless – Reznikov, Minister of Defense of Ukraine

SATURDAY, 25 JUNE 2022

The Russian army is launching up to a thousand projectiles every hour in order to undermine the morale of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, says Oleskii Reznikov, the Minister of Defence of Ukraine.

They use a thousand projectiles an hour. Unfortunately, their resources are limitless.

Such limitless resources can only be countered using effective weapons with a fundamentally different approach - precision targeting."

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