The War in the Ukraine

solarz

Brigadier
The notion thar Russia would not have welcomed direct Chinese material assistance is ludicrous.

A grave deficiency revealed by the war that has foreclosed a number of desirable options for the Russians is totally inadaquate truck pool and other logistic vehicles fleet available to the Russian army. Those that are available are of generally antiquated designed dating from the 60s, 70s and 80s.

China could readily supply more modern military trucks in almost any number the Russians needed, and these can be delivered in weeks and required little additional training to be incorporated into the Russia Army. This would open up options for the Russians to conduct more mobile operations which they clearly do not have Right now.

China Hj-12 is also a direct equivalent to the javelin and better than anything the Russians have fielded. These can certainly be integrated into the Russian army no slower than the Ukrainians integrated javelin.

China is very likely able to supply better military personal communication equipment on large scale than much of what the Russians are seen using on large scale in Ukraine. If training and indoctrination is required to integrate them into Russian units surely the lure since late March is enough for the effort.

I think if the Russians didn’t ask, that is because through back channels they were made to understand the Chinese are not prepared to give, and thus asking would merely prove embarrassing for both sides.

The Russians had a 40km long convoy. They're not lacking in trucks.
 

Botnet

Junior Member
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What is the importance of this rock, how come so much assets have been mobilized to attack it?
Propaganda victory, and its pretty convenient for UAF assets to hit without a plethora of air defense/aircraft like in the east.
 

pmc

Major
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Couple of Drive articles. UAF still very much alive.
This is not example of active but rather inactive.
what Ukraine is doing is sending one plane or drone here there in essentially empty places or places that Russia withdraws .they dont have organize formations that can operate round the clock in most dense combat environment.
this how combat training done in previous years in southern military district. entire regiments will fly in one takeoff with mix weopons targeting hundreds of targets . if Ukraine continue with this approach it will lose people for nothing. its better to be realistic.
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gelgoog

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Propaganda victory, and its pretty convenient for UAF assets to hit without a plethora of air defense/aircraft like in the east.
No. I would call it a real victory. But if we believe both reports then Ukraine suffered major equipment and personnel losses.
Trading out a couple Russian short range SAM systems for two Ukrainian fighter aircraft and three transport helicopters with infantry is kind of shitty. But Ukraine did knockout the air defenses on the island.
 

sheogorath

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The notion thar Russia would not have welcomed direct Chinese material assistance is ludicrous.

Welcoming if they are offered is not the same as asking for it.

The only ones pushing this narrative of Russia asking/getting weapons from China are the same people and think tankies that have been itching for an excuse to fight with China and sanction it out since Obama's Pivot to Asia.
 

sheogorath

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But Ukraine did knockout the air defenses on the island.

Replacing the Tor on the island will be easier for Russia than it'll be for Ukraine to replace those planes, though.

Also, the Island is of little tactical or strategic value as far as it can be seen other than deviating some Russians resources to the area but any gain on it will be short lived as the Russians can pulverize the island as there no civilian infraestructure on it.

Sometimes Ukraine seems more keen on fighting the Twitter and OSINT war than the actual war on the ground.
 
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SampanViking

The Capitalist
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Well this is always the trouble with 30 second video clips. You know your getting the edited highlight without seeing what else happened.
Snake Island is a useful base to operate from especially if Russia is looking to undertake an Amphibious Assault on the Budjak region, south of Odessa city.
 

Abominable

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Placing mid range air defenses on that island would allow the defender to basically control the airspace on the sea approaches to Odessa, and even over the city itself. It would make transporting cargo with transport aircraft to that region a lot more difficult.
I think deployment of anti ship missiles would be the real threat. It'll increase the exclusion zone for the Russian navy considerably, putting more of Ukraine out of range of ship launched ballistic missiles.

If Ukraine does retake the island, we may actually see the first use of tactical nuclear weapons. It'll be very difficult for Russia to retake the island conventionally. A single tactical nuke would make sense, there's no civilian population and it would effectively deny Ukrainian use of the island for the rest of the war.
 
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