The War in the Ukraine

Has this been shared already?

We are slowly piecing parts of the puzzle: according to CNN, the US provided target discrimination information to Ukraine which led to the attack and sinking of the cruiser Moskva. Allegedly, Ukraine was tracking the ship but was unable to identify the vessel. Therefore, they phone called the US who confirmed the identity of the vessel. In its defence, the US said: "but we didn't know they would actually fire at the ship ..."

I think this lends some credence to the theory that they obtained the firing solution with the over-the-horizon Mineral-U radar. This would also appear to discredit the claim that a TB-2 drone "distracted" the Moskva.

4Runner said:

The War Is Getting More Dangerous for America, and Biden Knows It
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Read this! Absolutely on topic!

If his sources were true, which I believe they likely were, that would be counted as a de-escalation signal. That would further validate my thesis on this war.

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I read this article twice, I don't see any 'de-escalation' signal anywhere. Biden is pissed that leaked info about shared US intel helping sink Moskva and US intel helping kill Russian generals. US isn't stop sharing intel with Ukraine, it's just pissed that it was publically leaked, which might give Russia causi-belli for expanded war (highly doubtful since it's an open secret). Also, this is a opinion article, which doesn't represent the US gov't at all. If anything, Biden is asking for $33 Billion more in aid to Ukraine (so total $50 billion), so US involvement is ESCALATING, not de-escalating.

Phead128 said:

I read this article twice, I don't see any 'de-escalation' signal anywhere. Biden is pissed that leaked info about shared US intel helping sink Moskva and US intel helping kill Russian generals, which might give Russia causi-belli for expanded war (highly doubtful). US isn't stop sharing intel with Ukraine, it's just pissed that it was publically leaked. Also, this is a opinion article, which doesn't represent the US gov't at all. If anything, Biden is asking for $33 Billion more in aid to Ukraine (so total $50 billion), so US involvement is ESCALATING, not de-escalating.

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People like the author are insiders or informed by incumbent administration. That is part of how US federal gov operates. Actually all major media outlets have inside informers, which serve both ways. Under the current circumstances, no fed official would say anything in public that is not aligned with the party line. And media outlets like NYT would not publish anything of that kind if it was not somewhat winked from that white colored house.

Reading between lines and comparing his war articles since the beginning, the tone is definitely opposite to all his previous articles. This is a skill, bro!

SampanViking said:

Probably the main event of the day although if the stories about a Ukrainian attempt to storm Snake Island are true, then that would count as a solid story number two. Not far behind the Amphibious operation to take the elevated terrain along the coast of the Azovstal plant.

Actually quite a bit has happened today. Anything new from the Izyum front?

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Popasna was captured, with mopping up operations on the outskirts.

SampanViking said:

Probably the main event of the day although if the stories about a Ukrainian attempt to storm Snake Island are true, then that would count as a solid story number two. Not far behind the Amphibious operation to take the elevated terrain along the coast of the Azovstal plant.

Actually quite a bit has happened today. Anything new from the Izyum front?

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I thought Russia retreated from an area of land east of Kharkiv to prevent encirclement from Ukraine? Now Ukraine is now trying to pressure that region hoping to take advantage of the lack of Russian manpower in that theater to attack the flank of the Russian izyum front? But I heard Ukraine didn't succeed in pushing any further east.

"A Ukrainian Su-24 bomber, a Su-27 fighter jet, three Mi-8 helicopters with paratroopers and two Bayraktar-TB2 UAVs were shot down in midair near Snake Island. The Ukrainian armored assault boat Stanislav was also destroyed,"

Ukraine in turn claims to have destroyed a Russian Tor missile launcher hiding behind a building, and a Russian ship carrying a Tor missile launcher in Snake Island.



Photo of Snake Island before and after the Ukrainian attack.

Claimed Ukrainian video of aerial bombardment of the island.

Couple of Drive articles. UAF still very much alive.

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"A Ukrainian Su-24 bomber, a Su-27 fighter jet, three Mi-8 helicopters with paratroopers and two Bayraktar-TB2 UAVs were shot down in midair near Snake Island. The Ukrainian armored assault boat Stanislav was also destroyed,"

Ukraine in turn claims to have destroyed a Tor missile launcher hiding behind a building, and a Russian ship carrying a Tor missile launcher in Snake Island.

Photo of Snake Island during and after the Ukrainian attack.

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Claimed Ukrainian video of aerial bombardment of the island.

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What is the importance of this rock, how come so much assets have been mobilized to attack it?

sheogorath said:

I'm particularly amused by how they managed to delude themselves into thinking that China not sending weapons to Russia is an US foreign policy success and not the fact that Russia hasn't probably really asked for any...

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The notion thar Russia would not have welcomed direct Chinese material assistance is ludicrous.

A grave deficiency revealed by the war, whicg has foreclosed a number of desirable options for the Russians, is the totally inadaquate truck pool and other logistic vehicles fleet available to the Russian army. Those that are available are of generally antiquated designed dating from the 60s, 70s and 80s.

China could readily supply more modern military trucks in almost any number the Russians needed, and these can be delivered in weeks and required little additional training to be incorporated into the Russia Army. This would open up options for the Russians to conduct more mobile operations which they clearly do not have Right now.

China can provide direct equivalent to the javelin, which is better than anything the Russians have fielded. The Chinese can also provide similar system to switchblade, and Russia is not known to have anything equivalent. These can certainly be integrated into the Russian army no slower than the Ukrainians integrated javelin and switchblade.

China is very likely able to supply better military personal communication equipment on large scale than much of what the Russians are seen using on large scale in Ukraine. If training and indoctrination is required to integrate them into Russian units surely the lure since late March is enough for the effort.

I think if the Russians didn’t ask, that is because through back channels they were made to understand the Chinese are not prepared to give, and thus asking would merely prove embarrassing for both sides.

For America, China’s not giving Russia direct material assistance is not so much a victory as a relief. The perception is no doubt the level of help China provided to Russia is not sufficient to obligate Russia to provide reciprocal level of help in the case of conflict over Taiwan. The expectation might be that if the US tries to cut Chinese maritime energy import, Russia would not feel obligated to immediately step in to make up the difference.

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What is the importance of this rock, how come so much assets have been mobilized to attack it?

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Placing mid range air defenses on that island would allow the defender to basically control the airspace on the sea approaches to Odessa, and even over the city itself. It would make transporting cargo with transport aircraft to that region a lot more difficult.