The War in the Ukraine

Kich

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Look like it crashed at 0:50. Not sure if it crashed by itself, got hit or it was a USV exploding...
Why they aren't using ATGM or attack helicopters against drones, I will never know. They are risking these crew flying in close with machine guns.

Russians just doing russians stuff. So stupid.
 

Fatty

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(It's amazing to think that France could call up the equivalent of 20 whole years of males during the 4.5 years of WW1, despite having a full economy to run and producing ever more advanced munitions. But Ukraine is somehow running out of recruitable soldiers, while their total forces are estimated to be some 1.2m, with - according to Ukraine - only light casualties - all in all equaling some 3 years of Ukrainian males - or some 4-5 years if we deduct occupied territories and emigrants. While getting most supplies from abroad. )
The difference is that nowadays Ukrainians can easily just run over to Poland. I think if the going gets really tough European countries may start deporting Ukrainians back to fight
 

mossen

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It makes no sense, from Zelensky's perspective, he should either sue for peace without lowering the draft age, or lower it and see this thing through. If he believes that a deal is possible, then better to just try for that. If he commits political suicide by lowering the draft age, then a peace deal would see the end of his presidency.
I suspect Zelensky has an exit plan that would see him spend the rest of his days outside of Ukraine after this war is over. Whether he will use it is another option. I cannot see any other reason for why he is acting the way he is. The decisions he has made make perfect sense from a Western cynical objective of bleeding Russia to the last Ukrainian but it doesn't make any sense from a sovereign Ukrainian perspective.

It's amazing to think that France could call up the equivalent of 20 whole years of males during the 4.5 years of WW1, despite having a full economy to run and producing ever more advanced munitions. But Ukraine is somehow running out of recruitable soldiers, while their total forces are estimated to be some 1.2m, with - according to Ukraine - only light casualties - all in all equaling some 3 years of Ukrainian males - or some 4-5 years if we deduct occupied territories and emigrants. While getting most supplies from abroad

France in WWI was a special case. First, there was deep sense of revenge against Germany for their conquest of Alsace-Lorraine. Second, there had not been war for many decades and society was younger. Third, Germany and France were far more evenly matched and France had help from the UK and later USA.

By contrast, most Ukrainians probably realise they have no chance of winning the war. They only hope to slow down the Russians. In addition, Ukrainians had a pretty poor economy even before the war and many had already left the country. So emigration is a far more attractive option than it was for France, which was already among the richest Western countries in WWI.
 

mossen

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I think if the going gets really tough European countries may start deporting Ukrainians back to fight
The going is already very tough and there are no signs of this happening. They've been talking about it for almost a year now. Remember, there's a big difference between what people say in public and private.

I suspect the Western powers have already given up on winning this war but want to manage the optics. Biden's last minute surge is designed to make him look good but leave Trump with the fallout. Just as Biden had to pull the plug on Afghanistan and faced withering criticism despite everyone knowing it was a doomed war. Nobody wants to be the guy holding the bag but Trump at least has made clear he thinks the war is stupid. So he will likely pay a much smaller cost than someone like Biden who pushed for the war.
 

drowingfish

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I suspect Zelensky has an exit plan that would see him spend the rest of his days outside of Ukraine after this war is over. Whether he will use it is another option. I cannot see any other reason for why he is acting the way he is. The decisions he has made make perfect sense from a Western cynical objective of bleeding Russia to the last Ukrainian but it doesn't make any sense from a sovereign Ukrainian perspective.



France in WWI was a special case. First, there was deep sense of revenge against Germany for their conquest of Alsace-Lorraine. Second, there had not been war for many decades and society was younger. Third, Germany and France were far more evenly matched and France had help from the UK and later USA.

By contrast, most Ukrainians probably realise they have no chance of winning the war. They only hope to slow down the Russians. In addition, Ukrainians had a pretty poor economy even before the war and many had already left the country. So emigration is a far more attractive option than it was for France, which was already among the richest Western countries in WWI.
I dont know...it is hard to give up power after you have it so I dont believe that Zelensky is planning for an exit. who will succeed him? zaluzhny? poroshenko? none are persons he likes and they certainly will make no attempt to guard his legacy.

it is a huge risk to lower the draft age. if the average age of the Ukrainian army is 43, then many of them potentially have sons that are 18-20. If it emerges that those men are now being drafted, it could destabilize the army as a whole.

as well, the younger end of the 18-24 crowd are still in school. should tcc attempt to grab students from campus grounds, they would risk an upheaval amongst students who are equally at risk of being conscripted.
 

Tam

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Russian flag is raised at the Kurakhovo Thermal Power Plant by the 5th Brigade. With the KTPP falling, the capture of Kurakhovo is complete.

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The capture of the facilities are nearly intact. It helps with the Russians being more refrained from FABbing anything in sight.

Explosions and a column of smoke rises in a facility near Odessa.

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If you're not able to access the previous video, here is the Iskander strikes on the M142 HIMARS column in Kherson. I believe the column was meant to assist the drone attacks on the Crimea and Sevastopol. The drone attack saw the drones, some of whom are FPV drone carriers and repeaters, intercepted and destroyed with a possible shoot down of a Russian Mi-8.

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Molniya FPV drone hits a Ukrainian position in Chasiv Yar held by Ukrainian paratroopers.

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Marines of the 810rd Brigade captured many Western provided equipment in the Kursk region.

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Su-34 with FAB+UMPK at work.

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A small Ukrainian field ammo depot gets bombed by a Russian drone of the 16th SPN in the Kupyansk direction.

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Sudzha being stormed and there are news that Terny is captured by the Russians.

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Bradley firing point blank at a building the Russians might be holding. This is rather dangerous for the Bradley as it is vulnerable to ATGMs and FPV drones. The Bradley uses it's 25mm gun because the TOW ATGM it uses is useless. A Russian IFV could instead hit a stronghold from range with an ATGM missile or in the case of the BMP-3, using it's 100mm gun.

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Tam

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Molniya winged FPV drone attacks and strikes a Ukrainian hideout. Then the attack was observed and confirmed by a Prince Vandal fiberoptic drone looking to attack the same target. With the target confirmed destroyed by the first drone, the fiberoptic drone looks for another target.

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Three FABs with UMPK arrive at a Ukrainian military facility.

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Gerans arrive and hit their targets at Kyiv. Should be noted that Kyiv is supposedly the most AA defended of all Ukrainian cities but still the Gerans get through. I believe that approximately 50 percent of any Geran raid are decoys.

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As promised, Gazprom has stopped gas supplies to Europe.

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Uragans being fired and landing on Ukrainian positions.

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LMUR strike on one of the bridge supports in the already destroyed Antonovsky Bridge. Not sure why, given the missile isn't enough to take out the bridge support or the point of taking it down when it's already down. But it's possible the real target is something behind the support.

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Ukrainian Su-25 with a French Hammer glide bomb. The Russians can convert their Su-25s to launch glide bombs but unlike the Ukrainians they don't seem to have any pressing need for it.

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UAV crew of Supercam adjusts artillery fire.

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M-46 130mm field gun at the office.

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Ukrainian group, probably a drone crew spotted on the right bank of the Dniepr. A bomb drop from a drone was way off the mark but then a Krasnopol hit the hideout.

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A Lancet being prepared for launch.

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Lancet takes out an M119 105mm howitzer.

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