The War in the Ukraine

phrozenflame said:

There has been a line of argument that Americans are more experienced vis a vis Chinese and Ive maintained that their experience has been versus a low tech poorly trained foes, its been akin to them playing video games on ez mode.

Id say in modern ground warfare, Russians And Ukrainians today have no peer.

Both China and US would be doing as much as possible to extract knowledge from their respective allies and Od say China hasnt really missed out on experience. US experience in Iraq and Afghanistan is irrelevant because they are not near peers but today, its also completely outdated.

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The funny thing is that many of the Western volunteers who are still in Ukraine say the same thing. Some former military veterans with experience in combat broke while some civilians with little to no firearm experience of all things didn't. Previous wartime experience during GWOT can help to a certain degree, but it isn't a decisive factor. Eagerness to learn, train and adapt is.

LawLeadsToPeace said:

Some former military veterans with experience in combat broke while some civilians with little to no firearm experience of all things didn't.

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They never had to deal with 152mm shells exploding all around them or a T-72 charges at them

Video about the usage by the Malva SPG of the Krasnopol-2M round developed for the Koalitsiya-SV. Shows how the fuse is programed.

The 132nd Guards MR Brigade advances towards Pokrovsk. Takes out a Roschel Senator along the way.


Ukrainian hideouts get hit by artillery from the North-V Brigade, in Chasiv Yar.


Russians storm the Kurakhovo Thermal Power Plant and all across the salient.


Ukrainian hideout taken out by FPV drones. Observing UAV records the footage. Typically recon drones have much sharper optics than the FPV drones whose optics are meant for cheap.


Ukrainian mockup destroyed with an artillery strike.


Ukrainian Starlink antenna site gets hit with an artillery strike.


T-64BV gets destroyed by FPV drones in Russkoye Porechnoye.


Battle for the Kurakhovo TPP now a clearing operation. Ukrainians reported to have left their positions.


Russian MoD confirms the capture of Novotroitskoye in the Pokrovsk direction.


Drone vs. Drone. Russian drone rams a Ukrainian UAV. The Russian drone recovers and leaves unscathed.


Another Russian drone rams two Ukrainian Mavik drones and is undamaged.


Russians pose with Bushmaster and Kirpi in the Pokrovsk direction.


Ukrainian deployment points hit with MLRS rockets.


Ukrainian drone shoots down Russian drones with a shotgun.


Greece transfers Sea Sparrows to Ukraine, for use in Frankenbuks.


Said to be Geran storage facilities in the Oryol region, caught in satellite image. Ukraine claims to have attacked the facility with Storm Shadow missiles. But it's likely the facilities are underground, which would have made the attack in vain, even if the missiles were not shot down which they likely were.


Extensive TOS fire on Ukrainian positions expressed with time lapse photography.


Ukrainian D-20 howitzer damaged after counter battery combat.


Hyacinth-B howitzer of Group Dniepr hits a Czech Dana-S SPG in the Orekhiv direction.

Residents of Ukraine have published footage of Russian cruise missiles Kh-101 hitting the Pridneprovskaya TPP in the city of Dnepropetrovsk. The video was filmed by several eyewitnesses from different angles on December 25. At the time of the missile attack, Ukrainian air defense was working, but the shot down missiles are not visible on the video. A total of 12 missile strikes were recorded in Dnepropetrovsk. The range of the Russian Kh-101 missile is up to 5,500 km, the warhead is 400 kg.


It is possible that the Ukrainian Gepard air defense system, made in Germany, is firing at Russian missiles.
More about the Gepard air defense

sheogorath said:

Video about the usage by the Malva SPG of the Krasnopol-2M round developed for the Koalitsiya-SV. Shows how the fuse is programed.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1872751302968480201

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Daym.. Krasnopol D appears. That one essentially bridge the gap with Excalibur.

Footage of an aerial duel in Ukraine, Russian and Ukrainian interceptor drones. Both drones are equipped with drone interception nets, their chances in combat are equal, but the Russian operator turned out to be more experienced. The Russian drone is armed with a Taiga net launcher, their use was previously shown. The model of the net used by the Ukrainian drone is unknown.

Baba Yaga gets rammed by a Russian drone.


AMX-10RC gets destroyed by an ATGM near Kurakhovo.


Iveco LMV destroyed in Kurakhovo.


Ukrainian Gvozdika in the Udy village in the Kharkhiv region destroyed with an FPV and a strike, possibly Krasnopol, from a MSTA-S.


Ukrainian drone shot down over Salsk, Rostov region.


Destroyed Kirpi in the Kursk region.


Russian MoD confirms the Russian capture of Novoolenovka.


The 15th Alexandria Brigade of the Samara Association aka the Black Hussars, raise the Russian flag in Novotroitskoye.


Russian flag over Novoilizavetovka near Pokrovsk.


Leopard tank struck by FPV drones of the Maxim Krivonos unit. The Maxim Krivonos unit is manned by ex-AFU personnel, and is currently deployed with Group Center along with many DPR units.


The 11th VDV Brigade raises the flag in Cherkasy Konopelka in the Kursk region. The people from this brigade comes from the Trans Baikal region of the Buryat Republic. Buryats are Mongolian in ethnicity. The 11th VDV isn't the only Asian filled unit in the RuAF, Group Vostok hosts the most Asian units, followed by Group Center. The 155th Marine Brigade, formerly of Group Vostok, is currently with Group North in Kursk.


Tankers of the Grom Battalion of the 35th Altai Brigade hitting Ukrainian positions hard, supporting the offensive of the Struna Battalion of Group Center.


Soldier of the 110th Brigade (DPR) raises the flag in Kurakhovo.


Ukrainian transport hit by FPV drones in Pokrovsk.


Leopard 1A5 taken out by drones in Andriivka.


The Russian flag is raised in Novoolenovka by Group Center troops.


Compilation of recent Lancet kills: tank, M777, D-20, M109 artillery, RADA and P-18 radar.

Fatty said:

Apparently when the US and British gave permission to Ukraine to strike in Russia with their missiles, Ukraine only had a few tens of missiles left at that point with no ability to get more

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I've read that the US gave something like 500 ATAMCS missiles, which is ~25% of their total stockpile. Most of those missiles are either spent or blown up by the Russians in some ammo depot by now.

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Zelensky, who resisted on the issue of lowering conscription age, now show signs of relenting. A bill is being introduced in the Ukrainian parliament to make it happen. Not yet voted upon. It's hard to know how many 18-25 year olds left Ukraine by bribing or going illegally, but it seems to be a substantial number. Not sure if lowering the conscription age will make much of a difference.

I suspect we will see the negotiations finally get serious under 2025. Ukraine is now on its last legs, but it remains to be seen if Russia will accept any offer. Putin may conclude that its better to just cripple them permanently instead. Then again, war-weariness is rising in Russia too. Most polls I've seen suggest that Russians would prefer negotiations over continued war.

mossen said:

Zelensky, who resisted on the issue of lowering conscription age, now show signs of relenting. A bill is being introduced in the Ukrainian parliament to make it happen. Not yet voted upon. It's hard to know how many 18-25 year olds left Ukraine by bribing or going illegally, but it seems to be a substantial number. Not sure if lowering the conscription age will make much of a difference.

I suspect we will see the negotiations finally get serious under 2025. Ukraine is now on its last legs, but it remains to be seen if Russia will accept any offer. Putin may conclude that its better to just cripple them permanently instead. Then again, war-weariness is rising in Russia too. Most polls I've seen suggest that Russians would prefer negotiations over continued war.

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Ukraine has 1 year of conscription between the ages 18 and 27. Just like Russia.
It's the age of mobilization that's being discussed.