The War in the Ukraine

cqxt11

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what's the deal with the plane crash? official line is a bird strike, pro-ukr say it's a russian SAM, others that it's a manpad or some convoluted plot with drones. literally none of them fully make sense lol
 

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what's the deal with the plane crash? official line is a bird strike, pro-ukr say it's a russian SAM, others that it's a manpad or some convoluted plot with drones. literally none of them fully make sense lol

The official line isn’t a bird strike. They gave a suggestion as per the article. That isn’t their official stance on what happened with the airplane at the current moment.
 

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Drones and warfare are evolving very quickly in this war. Tactics and counter-tactics are being developed, tested, and adopted every few weeks.

China would be served better to simply wait until the conflict is over to see whether FPV drones are worth adopting. The circumstances in the Ukraine War may not apply to China at all, and if they do, China has the technology and resources to engineer and deploy a much more elegant solution. Drone swarms with software that largely eliminates the need for an FPV pilot would drastically cut down on the manning requirements for an FPV drone battalion.

In Ukraine, drone companies take quite a bit of money and manpower to actually deploy, for both sides. It's not something you necessarily want to copy. Rather, China should think of how to achieve similar effects with fewer men, and more/better equipment.
Also, if anything, highly jam-resistant AI drones with minimal to no man-in-the-loop mechanisms will absolutely be pursued as we have seen via the loyal wingmen programs and viral civilian drone swarm projects. So while FPV drones can be a decent stop-gap for combat operations and force on force training by high-end militaries, it will sooner or later be obsolete. However, poorer countries and armed groups will benefit from the employment and purchases of FPV drones.

The one thing that we should definitely take note is the simple and cheap manufacturing of the drones close to the frontlines. Both Ukraine and Russia showed how they can manufacture some drone parts via 3D printing in mobile workshops. This could help simplify the logistics necessary to supplement a drone unit and perhaps even other combat arms as well.
 

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Russians take Zagryzovo in the Kharkhiv region.

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Russians continue to encircle Velikaya Novoselka. The Makarovka bubble has collapsed as well.

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The last residential areas in Kurakhovo has been captured by the Russians.

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Specialized buggies with a mount of six AK rifles are used to take down Ukrainian drones.

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Molniya FPV drones from the Vega unit takes out Ukrainian firing positions towards the Pokrovsk sector.

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Abandoned Ukrainian tank gets finished off by drones of the Stavropol Paratroopers.

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D-30 howitzer of Group Center at work.

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FAB strike on Ukrainian position, area not disclosed.


A Ukrainian pickup delivering fresh ammo in the Kursk region gets hit by an FPV drone of the Ireland unit.


Ukrainian Stryker and the shelter next to it are destroyed by drone strikes. Kursk region.


FV103 Spartan taken out by drone strike from the Ivanovo paratroopers. Kursk region.

 

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Also, if anything, highly jam-resistant AI drones with minimal to no man-in-the-loop mechanisms will absolutely be pursued as we have seen via the loyal wingmen programs and viral civilian drone swarm projects. So while FPV drones can be a decent stop-gap for combat operations and force on force training by high-end militaries, it will sooner or later be obsolete. However, poorer countries and armed groups will benefit from the employment and purchases of FPV drones.

The heavy employment of fpvs and standoff munitions have also made frontal assaults incredibly expensive. FPVs and now fiber optic controlled drones allow dispersed small teams to hold large swarth of the front against artillery and air superiority.

We have seen repeatedly large armoured assaults supported by artillery beaten back by small groups of entrenched infantry supported by fpv teams in the rear. At some strong points like Vuhledar Ukraine managed to hold the rubble against Russian assualt for almost two years, I think that's a good testament to how effective drone directed artillery along with fpv support can work in evening lopsided equipment disadvantages.
 

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Russians captured the village of Gigant in the Kurakhovo sector, according to the MoD.

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Ukrainian BRDM firing at Russian positions in a forest line gets intercepted by an FPV drone and is destroyed.

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M113 taken out by elements of the 5th Brigade towards the Kurakhovo direction.

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Ukrainian Podnos 82mm mortar gets taken out, possibly by artillery strike.

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Ukrainian UAV control point was spotted by Russian UAVs and which adjusted artillery at it. Expensive repeaters are destroyed along with it. Chasiv Yar.

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Chinese volunteer with DPR forces in the Kurakhovo direction greets channel subscribers.

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Ukrainian observation towers with cameras and radio antennas gets struck by FPV drones of the 14th SPN Brigade in Velikaya Novoselka.

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Ukrainian Humvee found destroyed in the South Donetsk.

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Baba Yaga tracked by a Russian drone, which observed the Baba Yaga gets shot down by small arms fire.

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FAB-1500 lands on the deployment point of the AFU 77th Brigade in Constantinople.

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Gibka-S takes out a Baba Yaga.

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Drones from the Sudoplatov unit hitting Ukrainian trucks in Dachne near Kurakhovo and another at Pokrovsk.

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Ukrainian Strela-10 tried firing missiles at the Russian drone taking the footage. Apparently failed as the long expired Soviet era export grade missiles failed to lock into the drone. In contrast Russian Strela-10s have been upgraded with the latest Verba and Gibka MANPADS.


Russian 'Buggy' with racks of six AK rifles are used to take down drones.

 
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Russians captured the village of Gigant in the Kurakhovo sector, according to the MoD.

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Ukrainian BRDM firing at Russian positions in a forest line gets intercepted by an FPV drone and is destroyed.

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M113 taken out by elements of the 5th Brigade towards the Kurakhovo direction.

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Ukrainian Podnos 82mm mortar gets taken out, possibly by artillery strike.

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Ukrainian UAV control point was spotted by Russian UAVs and which adjusted artillery at it. Expensive repeaters are destroyed along with it. Chasiv Yar.

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Chinese volunteer with DPR forces in the Kurakhovo direction greets channel subscribers.

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Ukrainian observation towers with cameras and radio antennas gets struck by FPV drones of the 14th SPN Brigade in Velikaya Novoselka.

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Ukrainian Humvee found destroyed in the South Donetsk.

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Baba Yaga tracked by a Russian drone, which observed the Baba Yaga gets shot down by small arms fire.

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FAB-1500 lands on the deployment point of the AFU 77th Brigade in Constantinople.

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Gibka-S takes out a Baba Yaga.

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Drones from the Sudoplatov unit hitting Ukrainian trucks in Dachne near Kurakhovo and another at Pokrovsk.

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Ukrainian Strela-10 tried firing missiles at the Russian drone taking the footage. Apparently failed as the long expired Soviet era export grade missiles failed to lock into the drone. In contrast Russian Strela-10s have been upgraded with the latest Verba and Gibka MANPADS.

To be fair how can a strela destroy a mavic that doesn't emit any heat? Even if the strela is in mint condition.
 

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To be fair how can a strela destroy a mavic that doesn't emit any heat? Even if the strela is in mint condition.

They still emit heat, even so slightly, which is why they show up in thermals. Quadcopters like Baba Yagas which use Matric 3000s or other agricultural drones, are regularly taken out by the latest Russian MANPADS. Such MANPADS also deal with winged UAVs with electric motors.
 
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