The War in the Ukraine

Sinnavuuty

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The approximate route of drones, cruise missiles, intercontinental ballistic missiles, which Russia launched today over Ukraine
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Ukraine appears to have retaliated.
Ukrainian OWA-UAV's struck Russian 105th assembly and testing building at the site located at the Kapustin Yar Nuclear Missile Test site at Kapustin Yar Cosmodrome. This strike was in response to Russian ICBM strike on Dnipro. Kapustin Yar Cosmodrome is Russia's premier missile test range since 1947 and had most recently conducted on April 12th 2024 a successful test launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile. The site has mainly been focused on launches of the RT-2PM Topol aka SS-25 Sickle over the past decade and had a S500 test in 2011. Ukrainian OWA-UAV's struck the facility on July 9th 2024. If I'm reading the map correctly should be the area highlighted in red where Ukrainian drones struck will wait for geolocation.
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Ukraine now asking for SM-6
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If russia Threatens With RS-26 Rubezh, the U.S. Must Provide SM-6 Missiles​

 

sheogorath

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The approximate route of drones, cruise missiles, intercontinental ballistic missiles, which Russia launched today over Ukraine
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Ukraine appears to have retaliated.

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Ukraine now asking for SM-6
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If russia Threatens With RS-26 Rubezh, the U.S. Must Provide SM-6 Missiles​

I remember seeing that video yesterday though. Not sure if they are trying to pass it something new.

Also lol at the SM-6. Pretty sure Israel has priority over those, so good luck.
 

gelgoog

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Not the first time Ukraine did this. Striking at a Russian ICBM test range with a drone that is. They still learned nothing.
The thing is, even if it is a silo launched missile, the Soviets had launch sites all over the Soviet Union. I doubt it needs to be launched from that exact launch site. And if it is launched from a mobile launch vehicle this is even more pointless.
That drone won't be able to damage a silo either. But they continue to poke the bear. FAFO.

If Zelensky thinks he will be safe in exile in some mansion maybe he needs to learn about what happened to Leon Trotsky, exiled in Mexico, and other people who messed with the regime in Russia. None of the separatist leaders of Chechnya, and they had several, is still alive. The Soviets also killed their hero Stepan Bandera in the middle of West Germany.
 
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Not the first time Ukraine did this. Striking at a Russian ICBM test range with a drone that is. They still learned nothing.
The thing is, even if it is a silo launched missile, the Soviets had launch sites all over the Soviet Union. I doubt it needs to be launched from that exact launch site. And if it is launched from a mobile launch vehicle this is even more pointless.
That drone won't be able to damage a silo either. They continue to poke the bear. FAFO.
Did they actually do it or is it a last minute face save given that at least the footage above seems to be from days ago?

I'd wait for satellite confirmation. Also curious what the end result of the Dnipro strikes as well. From what I hear it's a kinetic kill vehicle weapon(?)

An interesting implication of these launches is that Russia judged NATO's response to a MIRV theater missile being launched at their direction, and found that it wouldn't cause an issue as long as its inside the Ukraine.
 

Sinnavuuty

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I fear that the attack itself will not force the West to de-escalate; on the contrary, with Ukraine now also
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for Tomahawk, they are moving in step with further escalation. The kind of response that Russia has given now with this attack is that they can respond even without nuclear weapons, but this will not stop the escalation.

Russia clearly wants to prevent the country from being turned into a testing ground for Western weapons, but I believe that the escalation will continue to increase. Meanwhile, the danger of escalation now is that Russia sees the West in the war, and may also turn Europe into a testing ground.
 

gelgoog

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Did they actually do it or is it a last minute face save given that at least the footage above seems to be from days ago?

I'd wait for satellite confirmation. Also curious what the end result of the Dnipro strikes as well. From what I hear it's a kinetic kill vehicle weapon(?)
The black and white video showing the missile strikes seems legit. Notice the speed of those things going in and the plasma cloud of the reentry vehicles. That colored video with the cruise missiles though seems to have been from last year's X-101 cruise missile strike on Dnipro or something.

Russia clearly wants to prevent the country from being turned into a testing ground for Western weapons, but I believe that the escalation will continue to increase. Meanwhile, the danger of escalation now is that Russia sees the West in the war, and may also turn Europe into a testing ground.
What makes you think the next step will be Russia striking Europe? It could be they will attack the US bases spread out all over the world. Using proxies or without proxies. Remember what happened to France and its uranium mines on Niger after they started providing the Storm Shadow/SCALP EG to Ukraine. But yes they could strike a NATO country or several eventually. Which is why I keep saying the West doesn't know what they are doing by enabling deep strikes into Russian territory.

As a sidenote, I'd like to remind everybody that New START expires in a little over a year. Perhaps Russia already has bigger things prepared in the pipeline and is getting rid of old stock?
The Russians have a lot of expired or near expired missiles which would cost actual money to decommission. It is much cheaper to just dump them on Ukraine.

As for New START, right now Russia takes some Satan missiles out of service every time a new Yars battalion goes online, they could simply either not do that or start inducing Sarmat simultaneously, thus increasing their amount of launch vehicles. They could also start producing IRBMs.

Remember that RS-26 Rubezh development was frozen after testing was supposedly complete. The money was channeled to fund development of the Avangard RV. But RS-26 Rubezh was never actually cancelled, it was delayed, back then to 2027. It might be moved forward again.
 
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