The War in the Ukraine

tabu

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450 a month, for 2 and half year?

450x2.5x12=13500 tanks lost

Russia should have no tanks by now. Not even T-62 is left. We know what joke the stat is.

Let's assume that Russian depots (and they are huge) are indeed emptying as satellite photos show, but

450x2.5x12=13500 - what is that count and where do those numbers come from?!?!!!!

Who says the Russians have been losing 450 tanks a month for the last 2 1/2 years? Even the Ukrainians don't say that, and in fact the same link I posted says 9319....

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Oryx on the other hand says 3558 to date. Of course there are more tanks lost by the Russians than confirmed by visual evidence, and certainly fewer than claimed by the Ukrainians: propaganda is made on both sides, but the Ukrainians can multiply or divide by 2, while the Russians spread lies by multiplying or dividing by at least 10...

Do we want to comment on the course of the war with propaganda footage when it is already difficult without it?

Some users on this forum believe that Ukrainians were defeated by Russians in Kursk. I take that to heart, but I don't think the Russians are doing well..... only that they don't care about the loss of people and funds: it's enough for them to move forward.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
A lot of people think the US is holding back on sending military weapons to Ukraine, or something, but the thing is the US has many defense commitments all over the globe. They cannot commit everything to Ukraine. If they do that conflicts might spark elsewhere and they would be caught with their pants down. As the situation in Israel showed. As is they already made South Korea send ammunition from its artillery stockpile and other things like that. There is a lot of mothballed equipment in stockpiles but it takes time to service it and make it operational again. So it is not like they can send it as is.

Forget about other hotspots flaring up, the collective west cannot even win the escalation game in just Ukraine.

While the non-US part of the NATO alliance has basically burned through all of its vast military inherence from the Cold War, Russia has not received any purely military supplies and assistance from its biggest de facto ally China.

And while there are many complex reasons as to why China has held off on supplying lethal aid to Russia thus far, I personally think one of the bigger reasons is because the Ukrainian war is profoundly beneficial for China, and Beijing has little desire to see it end too soon.

If China did full send lethal aid to Russia, it could basically end the war in a very short time frame. But for China, it’s far better for NATO to continue to haemorrhage money and equipment in Ukraine and basically make it useless as a support asset for America in its planned war against China.

Right now, NATO is effectively trapped in Ukraine, cannibalising its own inventory and sometimes frontline combat capabilities to keep propping up Ukraine. At the same time locking their industry into making legacy weapons for Ukraine just to keep them in the fight.

OTOH, China is busy investing in next gen weapons and munitions. The longer the Ukrainian war drags on, the more of a head start China will have in being ready for fighting tomorrow’s war rather than last century’s.

All of this means China has basically its entire escalation ladder left to deploy in Ukraine while the west has nearly reached the end of its own escalation ladder in terms of how much more support it can give Ukraine without getting directly involved in the fight themselves publicly and fully.

If Russia ever does actually start to struggle, China can tip the balance back in Russia’s favour incredibly easily and quickly with more material support. If NATO commits directly into the fight openly, then that’s when China will finally full send lethal support to Russia, as by then the West would have crossed the Rubicon and cannot easily wash their hands of Ukraine and limit the war to just Ukraine’s boarders.

It’s not worth China’s while to send lethal aid to Russia to win Ukraine for Russia quickly and easily, but it is worth China’s while to help Russia put America into the impossible position of choosing to let NATO be shattered and its European allies destroyed as potential useful military allies to use against China, or commit its full might to defending Europe and relinquishing its dream of fighting China in the Pacific.
 

sheogorath

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Oryx on the other hand says 3558 to date. Of course there are more tanks lost by the Russians than confirmed by visual evidence, and certainly fewer than claimed by the Ukrainians
Not really, as even Oryx is missing a lot of visual evidence for their claims, including using screenshot of Telegram posts with no pictures at all.

but the Ukrainians can multiply or divide by 2, while the Russians spread lies by multiplying or dividing by at least 10...
Source: Trust me, bra.
Some users on this forum believe that Ukrainians were defeated by Russians in Kursk.

Did Ukraine achieve any of their stated goals?. Did they capture KNPP?. Are the Russians negotiating a full cesation of hostilities in exchange for Kursk?. No?. Then they were defeated.
This is like trying to argue the summer counteroffensive of 2023 in which the stated goal was to drive all the way to Melitopol and Mariupol wasn't a defeat.

What seems a fairly intact M1A1 has been captured in Donetsk

Pro-Ukr claiming a Leopard 2A4 wiped out several tanks but you can actually see the Leo 2 can't pen the glacis of the Russian tanks at pretty close range, most tanks kept driving and firing on the Leopard. And no espectacular cook off either.

 

Tam

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Leopard tank 2A4 along with artillery ambushing a Russian armored column near Kurakhovo. The tank fired a HE-FRAG round into a T-72B3 which deflected it. The column managed to land it's troops but the Leopard continue to land hits as the column retreated.


Two Russian tanks of the Altai Battalion of the 60th MR Brigade dismantling Ukrainian strongholds with direct point blank fire.


Two AS-90 SPGs taken out by FPVs from Sudoplatov.


New winged FPV drone Molinya-2 has a range of 40km and can carry a warhead of 5-7 kg. It was put to use in the Kharkhiv region and the Ukrainians recovered an example. This seems like a much cheaper Lancet.

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Two Lancets take out two Leopard 2A4 near Kurakhovo. It's possible one of these Leopards was the one who ambushed the Russian column.

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Abrams from the AFU 47th Brigade is evacuated by the Russians.

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Russian breakthrough in Kupyansk including one Russian tank, an MT-LB and an IFV. Some of the vehicles were damaged or knocked out but the troops managed to successfully disembark right in the center of Kupyansk. This event changes the mapping of Kupyansk.

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Roschel Senator knocked out in the Kursk region.

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TOS-2 at work.

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Ukrainian industrial facility in Poltava region on fire after a Shahed attack.

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Russian MoD confirms the capture of Voznesenka between the Pokrovsk and Kurakhovo directions.

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The 114th raised it's flag over Illinka.

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Ukrainian deployment point in Chasiv Yar bombed by FABs.

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Lancet takes out a tank in Dalnie.

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Ballistic missile hits the deployment point of the AFU 36th Marine Brigade in Pysarivka.

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North Korea could transfer it's M1989 Koksan to Russia. The 170mm SPG has a range of 40km with base shells and 60km with rocket assisted shells. First photo allegedly in Russia.

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Maxxpro taken out by ATGM from elements of the 114th.

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Agriculture remote miner and MLRS at work. They drop remote mines behind Ukrainian front lines at logistic lines en masse.

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Atomicfrog

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Looks like Russia is now receiving North Korean M-1978 Koksan 170mm self propelled artillery.
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It's got a lot of range but otherwise pretty rubbish stats.
Interesting, new caliber in the logistic chain ? Sure that relying so much on artillery tube create a large demand on new guns.

Or maybe just going/leaving a training with Russia in the far east.
 

pendragon

Junior Member
A relatively small vehicle for such a massive gun; I doubt it's mobility is great!
Also, if you need range, just use grad or tornado MLRS.
Russia should still have enough SPG's in storage; even after replacing damaged/destroyed items.
So no actual NEED for anything new in the logistics.
Puzzling! Like in old British series . . . "come and see next week!"
 
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