The War in the Ukraine
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They acting like ATACMS is the best missile in existence but it also very expensive and the production rate is awful. Meanwhile Russia and Iran could produce Iskander and Fateh missiles at far higher rate while only slightly less accurate.
The ATACMS is supposed to be kept in reserve until PrSM stockpiles increase. Because they want to keep those missiles around in case of conflict with China. They basically sent the fragmentation warhead ATACMS first since they still had plenty of those. But Russia is just outproducing the US. Simple as that.
It's actually entirely reasonable to demand Ukrainians to provide their targetting priorities and logic. Why? Because after Ukraine targeted Russia's nuclear infrastructure and other sensitive targets Russia was probably ready to provide missiles to Houthis or something. So it's quite obvious why Washington is interested in keeping a tight leash over Ukraine.
As if the US isn't providing Ukraine with target lists and inputing the target coordinates already. I wouldn't be surprised if the HIMARS vehicles were all operated by US servicemen as the Russians claim as well.
They were trying to prevent Russian retaliation by restricting strikes to Ukrainian or ex-Ukrainian soil. And now they allow strikes into Russia but within certain range limits. Ukraine has used drones to strike targets deep into Russia but those have better plausible deniability (I don't believe they could build the drones without Western aid though). You can expect Russia to counter this by proliferating their own drones and missiles to threaten US interests globally eventually.
They were trying to prevent Russian retaliation by restricting strikes to Ukrainian or ex-Ukrainian soil. And now they allow strikes into Russia but within certain range limits. Ukraine has used drones to strike targets deep into Russia but those have better plausible deniability (I don't believe they could build the drones without Western aid though). You can expect Russia to counter this by proliferating their own drones and missiles to threaten US interests globally eventually.
What I do find amusing is that there was a lot of celebration and mockery with regards to Ukraine hitting both the bridges and the pontoons on the river, despiste doing so at the expense of several HIMARS and M270's
Seems that didn't stop the Russians from launching the offensive through it like some people thought
Seems that didn't stop the Russians from launching the offensive through it like some people thought
If you looked at the map there were alternative routes overland. You just had to take a detour.
It is not like that river is the Dniper either. It is fairly narrow in several places which means making a new bridge is relatively easy.
plawolf
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Problem with that is it strips away what little plausible deniability there remains where now you basically have the entire chain, from target acquisition to strike authorisation to weapon launch all being done by Americans, using American made launchers and missiles. The only thing Ukrainian remaining at this point is the mud under the wheels/tracks.
If the position was flipped and you had Chinese launchers being operated by active due PLA on command of Beijing hitting targets deep in the US from Mexico, would you think for a second that the US will accept that its only Mexico attacking them and limit retaliation to Mexican targets only?
Russia has been saying publicly for some time that it is fighting NATO directly in Ukraine and this further proves their point. While Russia currently can’t escalate much due to the power imbalance with NATO and America might not give a fuck about what Russia thinks, the European part of NATO should be scared shitless and desperate to reverse course. Because all it would take is something to kick off across the world in the Pacific to shift American interests and assets fundamentally away from Europe and suddenly they are left holding the bag, alone, staring down an enraged and newly armed up Russian military juggernaut who has perfectly reasonable grounds to declare that it is already at war with NATO.
They are also drinking the kool-aid. Finland and Sweden have allowed for the launch of kamikaze drones from their territory to try to hit Olenya.
From a certain point of view, both US and Euro foreing policy seems to be carried out by the descendants of the Eastern and Northen European losers that got smacked down by the USSR and are still seething about it.
Two footage up at YouTube for academic review. The first we have an Iskander taking out an M270 MLRS. The escorts help give away the identity of the target.
The second we got a Geran who thinks it's a Lancet and dives, and takes out a Ukrainian S-300P launcher. One can see the benefits of using a Geran---range is far greater, payload is much higher than a Lancet with correspondingly greater explosive power. In a previous defense exhibit, we have seen a Geran variant with a camera on the nose, so I suspect a new variant is now on battle testing.
Starlink antennas betray a good Ukrainian defensive position in a forest line. Received three FABs.
ODAB-1500 arrives on Ukrainian forces in the Kursk region.
Ukrainian stronghold hit by artillery in the Seversk region.
TOS rains on a Ukrainian position. Ukrainians sent an FPV to attack the TOS but the signal was intercepted by EW. The TOS safely returns to base.
Destroyed LAVR Titan-DS in the Kharkhiv region.
Ukrainians park their equipment in a kindergarten in Lysovka in the Pokrovsk front. Hit by VT-40 drone courtesy of the Sudoplatov.
Ukrainian BMP-2 burning in the Donetsk.
The 106th VDV Division liberated another village in the Kursk front.
Bridge between Mirnograd and Pokrovsk got taken out. The result of a Russian missile strike.
Russian BMD rakes a Ukrainian position with close range 30mm automatic fire. Kursk region.
FAB strikes at forest regions where Ukrainian forces are spotted in the Kursk region.
Ukrainian warehouse burning in Khmelnytsky region after a Geran attack.
UAC hands over a new batch of Su-57 to the Russian MoD.
Hyacinth-B takes out a Ukrainian mortar unit on the right bank of the Dniepr.
Russian artillery shelling Ukrainian vehicles at Novosadove.
FAB-1500 arrives at the industrial zone of Chasiv Yar.
Lancet strikes at a Kozak in the Kursk direction.
Ukrainian UAV control point found by the reconnaissance battalion aka SPN detachment Grachi, giving the target information to the 238th Artillery Brigade to take care of it.
The second we got a Geran who thinks it's a Lancet and dives, and takes out a Ukrainian S-300P launcher. One can see the benefits of using a Geran---range is far greater, payload is much higher than a Lancet with correspondingly greater explosive power. In a previous defense exhibit, we have seen a Geran variant with a camera on the nose, so I suspect a new variant is now on battle testing.
Starlink antennas betray a good Ukrainian defensive position in a forest line. Received three FABs.
ODAB-1500 arrives on Ukrainian forces in the Kursk region.
Ukrainian stronghold hit by artillery in the Seversk region.
TOS rains on a Ukrainian position. Ukrainians sent an FPV to attack the TOS but the signal was intercepted by EW. The TOS safely returns to base.
Destroyed LAVR Titan-DS in the Kharkhiv region.
Ukrainians park their equipment in a kindergarten in Lysovka in the Pokrovsk front. Hit by VT-40 drone courtesy of the Sudoplatov.
Ukrainian BMP-2 burning in the Donetsk.
The 106th VDV Division liberated another village in the Kursk front.
Bridge between Mirnograd and Pokrovsk got taken out. The result of a Russian missile strike.
Russian BMD rakes a Ukrainian position with close range 30mm automatic fire. Kursk region.
FAB strikes at forest regions where Ukrainian forces are spotted in the Kursk region.
Ukrainian warehouse burning in Khmelnytsky region after a Geran attack.
UAC hands over a new batch of Su-57 to the Russian MoD.
Hyacinth-B takes out a Ukrainian mortar unit on the right bank of the Dniepr.
Russian artillery shelling Ukrainian vehicles at Novosadove.
FAB-1500 arrives at the industrial zone of Chasiv Yar.
Lancet strikes at a Kozak in the Kursk direction.
Ukrainian UAV control point found by the reconnaissance battalion aka SPN detachment Grachi, giving the target information to the 238th Artillery Brigade to take care of it.
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