The War in the Ukraine

Kich

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It’s a PR win for Ukraine, a morale boost to their troops and a message to their Western allies that they are still in the fight.
If Ukraine engineers can dig in, it would be more than a PR win. It might force Russia to divert more forces to root them out.

It's clear that Putin doesn't want mass mobilization so they will move forces from the frontlines to that sector.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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If Ukraine engineers can dig in, it would be more than a PR win. It might force Russia to divert more forces to root them out.

It's clear that Putin doesn't want mass mobilization so they will move forces from the frontlines to that sector.
How to dig in open fields within drone coverage of enemies?

Some of the fortifications around Prohres and Zelene have been dug since 2015. Satellite photos dating from 2018 still show them. This proves 2 things:

1. Ukraine was getting ready for a war for a very long time

2. The fortifications take a very long time to build.

Further proof: once Adviivka broke, new fortifications weren't dug within weeks, they withdrew to towns as strongpoints instead. And then when the first line around Stepove broke, they didn't dig either. They went to the next line of towns.
 

FriedButter

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Alternative: Sit in your town, eat bombs, get pushed out in 1 month. Russians just sit out and take minimal casualty.

Plan: Push out of town, eat bombs, inflict proportional damage to Russians, gtfo after a month.

Result is the same, but at least they died doing some real damage for once. The damage might not be enough to win a war singlehandedly, but what can you do? Just take the small win and forget it.

Zelensky, his staff, and the privately the west has been talking more and more about some sort of deal in the last few weeks. The incursion is counterproductive to what to their stated goals. As such the results are not the same. Not only has it harden Russia position. It will weaken Ukraine position in any potential talks.

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Start posting objecting analysis about how Russia can't prosecute this war correctly and the mods here will threaten you with a ban.

Post your evidences of moderators banning people for being anti-RU. The forum rebuttal to your claim is literally @SolarWarden.
 

tokenanalyst

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Alternative: Sit in your town, eat bombs, get pushed out in 1 month. Russians just sit out and take minimal casualty.

Plan: Push out of town, eat bombs, inflict proportional damage to Russians, gtfo after a month.

Result is the same, but at least they died doing some real damage for once. The damage might not be enough to win a war singlehandedly, but what can you do? Just take the small win and forget it.
In a grinding war the one with more resources wins. It does not good to use your little resources unwisely then when your enemy just wait for you to gas out just walk and take you territory.

These Ukrainians soldiers in Kursk they probably know that they will not return, they will die in Kursk and their equipment too, there is not gtfo out of there, they will probably be wasted there, why their commanders did this? I don't know, maybe they want buy some time in the South while more weapons arrive from the West, who knows.
 

Kich

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How to dig in open fields within drone coverage of enemies?

Some of the fortifications around Prohres and Zelene have been dug since 2015. Satellite photos dating from 2018 still show them. This proves 2 things:

1. Ukraine was getting ready for a war for a very long time

2. The fortifications take a very long time to build.

Further proof: once Adviivka broke, new fortifications weren't dug within weeks, they withdrew to towns as strongpoints instead. And then when the first line around Stepove broke, they didn't dig either. They went to the next line of towns.
  1. The Kursk region is very forested. They can hide infantry in those forest, while having them dig trenches in those forest.
  2. At the same time, send others in armor to rush towards other Russian settlements and even the NPP. Russia will be too busy occupied with those forces, giving the ones in the rear time to dig in.
  3. Pour more reserves from Ukraine into the bulge forming.
Point is, if they stop moving and pushing forward, they will get counter attack and be destroyed. They need to keep moving till they come in contact with a major settlement or the NPP.
 
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eduds6

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Russia has so many reserves to supposedly push the Ukrainians out of kursk and avoiding new incursions but how until these damaging attacks such as the column rocket attack depletes them? Why costs and a high interest rate matter more than destroying an enemy that is more and more abusing of long range weapons with US allowance? If this continues, Russia will eventually have to mobilize. And guard the borders with Japan and the US, because who can guarantee that the US may not gather forces and attack if Russia becomes weakened?

Just to mention, i'm not in favour of both sides. I have my reasons for it. And i'm NOT talking about an war between the US and Russia but of the possibilities of threats to the Russian Federation.
 

tokenanalyst

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  1. The Kursk region is very forested. They can hide infantry in those forest, while having them dig trenches in those forest.
  2. At the same time, send others in armor to rush towards other Russian settlements and even the NPP. Russia will be too busy occupied with those forces, giving the ones in the rear time to dig in.
  3. Pour more reserves from Ukraine into the bulge forming.
Point is, if they stop moving and pushing forward, they will get counter attack and be destroyed. They need to keep moving till they come in contact with a major settlement or the NPP.
So they are going to pull resources from a front in the South that is in a desperate situation of almost collapsing to a new front all the way up to the North?
 

Kich

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So they are going to pull resources from a front in the South that is in a desperate situation of almost collapsing to a new front all the way up to the North?
Ukraine can certainly move forces in the South--Odessa, Kherson--to this new Northern front because Russia won't launch anything in that sector or it doesn't seem like they are going to.

This PR move might end being a master stroke if Ukraine plays their card right.

Of course everything changes if Putin orders full mobilization and Russia officially declares war. The frontline is too big for only 500K-750K troops. Russia should be fighting with 2 million troops but like I've always said, Putin is fighting this war halfheartedly. Add in the corruption and incompetence and we get the current situation of huge casualties and slow progress for the Russians.
 

Rank Amateur

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Comparison between Russia military to US or NATO should stop.
They are not remotely in the same league. Russia is a third rate military with nukes.

Look at how much they are struggling to contain a border incursion of just 1000 men.
It's being 3 years and many of you still wrongly see Russia as a capable fighting force.

The only reason why they are winning this war is because they can produce a lot more things to replace their losses. And Ukraine is can't.

Decades of military and bureaucracy corruption can not be undone in just 3 years and Russia is dealing with her consequence.

"The only reason why they are winning this war is because they can produce a lot more things to replace their losses. And Ukraine is can't."

Yes, that's how you win a war of attrition. And guess what played a huge role in the Allied victory in World War II?

"because they can produce a lot more things to replace their losses. And [Germany/Japan] ... can't."
 

tokenanalyst

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Ukraine can certainly move forces in the South--Odessa, Kherson--to this new Northern front because Russia won't launch anything in that sector or it doesn't seem like they are going to.

This PR move might end being a master stroke if Ukraine plays their card right.

Of course everything changes if Putin orders full mobilization and Russia officially declares war. The frontline is too big for only 500K-750K troops. Russia should be fighting with 2 million troops but like I've always said, Putin is fighting this war halfheartedly. Add in the corruption and incompetence and we get the current situation of huge casualties and slow progress for the Russians.
Well, let see what happens.
 
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