The War in the Ukraine

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AF-1

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Have on mind that number of operational aircrafts before the war wasnt fixed value, never changing. They received large amounts of spare parts (if not entire aircrafts dismantled) what made them possible to repair some of their unoperational aircrafts and put them into active service.
Also Russians never claimed they shot down all these aircrafts, but destroyed them, neutralized them, denacificationed them...lot of them have been destroyed on the ground.
 
solarz

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kokole said:
Yes, two Ukrainian planes were shot down yesterday:

- The Russian Air Defense Forces shot down a MiG-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force in the area of the settlement of Slavyansk in the Donetsk People's Republic, the briefing said.

- Later there was an accident and something went wrong: the Ukrainian Air Defense Forces destroyed their own SU-27 with queue number 38.
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So that's how Ukraine is winning this war: they pass off all their own casualties as Russian casualties!
 
Temstar

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RottenPanzer said:
I think we can all agree that the total number of aircrafts that was shot down by Russians was an exaggeration since the number that was reported by Russian MoD has exceeded the total number of aircraft inventories of Ukraine Air Force
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Well the one that comes to mind is the 90 something TB-2 shot down. But that makes perfect sense because we are 95% sure Turkey has been supplying Ukraine with additional TB-2 as they come off the assembly line during the course of the war.

For manned aircraft I'm not sure, I would like to see some numbers.
 
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Soldier30 said:
The US Department of Defense has published footage showing M113 armored personnel carriers preparing to be sent to Ukraine. In total, Kiev will receive 200 armored personnel carriers, which have been in service with the United States since the 1960s. The American M113 APC turned out to be successful and became the most massive armored personnel carrier in history. The armored personnel carrier can carry 11 infantrymen. The body of the APC is made of aluminum armor, with the addition of manganese and magnesium. One of the unsuccessful decisions of the APC, the lack of loopholes for shooters. A large-caliber 12.7 mm Browning M2NV machine gun was installed as the main armament on the M113 APC. The range of the car is up to 480 kilometers, in new versions.

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I laughed when I read this.
Certainly not 11 modern infantrymen, maybe back in VN.
The only way a M113 is carrying that many people is if it's smuggling people across the Mexican border (/s)
 
RottenPanzer

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Temstar said:
Well the one that comes to mind is the 90 something TB-2 shot down. But that makes perfect sense because we are 95% sure Turkey has been supplying Ukraine with additional TB-2 as they come off the assembly line during the course of the war.
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How quickly does Turkey produce its Bayraktar UCAV drone? Because Turkey only had like 100+ in service in their armed forces
 
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RottenPanzer said:
I think we can all agree that the total number of aircrafts that was shot down by Russians was an exaggeration since the number that was reported by Russian MoD has exceeded the total number of aircraft inventories of Ukraine Air Force
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They could have count the l-39 (47) and other trainers and cargo (AN-26: 22), ''aircraft shotdown'' is quite a large inventory.

The spare parts permitted to bring back some planes that was hidden from sight in storage. The ruggedness of soviet aircrafts make them able to hide in shed beside highway or even fields for runway. Just in the little Korotych Aerodrom bombed this week, we can see a museum Su-27, some mig-23-27 and 5 L-39. At least they don't spice the number like Oryx and claim 650 aircrafts down...

Some could have come on rail from other countries too. They get all sort of Soviet time equipment from neighbors.
 
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Aegis21

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reservior dogs said:
This is against basic military logic. From what I heard, they have a few hundred mercenaries. Mostly with light arms because they were retreating very quickly. Now these people, however capable they might be, are going to invade and take over large swarth of Severodonetsk with sporadic logistic support from across the river that could be shelled by the Russians and defend this against thousands of equally capable battle hardened Russian soldiers with air and cannon fire support vastly superior to the Ukrainian side. Sounds like a PR stunt for the 100 days of war as Ukraine has done with all the other PR stunts like the failed Kherson counteroffensive or the meaningless Kharkiv counteroffensive, or the failed Snake Island counteroffensive.
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Seems like Steiner’s Counteroffensive went really well
 
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