The War in the Ukraine

B777LR

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Ukraine airstrikes near Russian border

So pro-Russian groups in here tend to dismiss the coming Ukraine F-16's with retorts of Russian IADS will deter them and the more popular retort of Russian fighters armed with R-37M's will keep F-16's far away from frontlines yet we see here JDAM airstrikes likely from SU-27's or Mig-29's hitting targets pretty much at the Russian border. Yes I understand the s300/400 deployed in Belgorod was taken out but the Russians on paper do have a huge air force with very long range air to air missiles yet somehow outdated soviet era Ukraine fighters managed to get in JDAM range of Russian border. As US/Ukraine takes out Russian IADS especially in Crimea and other occupied territories Ukraine F-16's are going to have much success delivering their JDAM ordinance and other standoff-ish weapons.

The GBU-39 can be launched from a HIMARS or M270, which Ukraine is known to use. No fighter jets necessary.

Sneaking about at low level with the radar off completely negates most advantages of a fighter jet over high flying counterparts. For sure it can be done to lob a few bombs or surprise the Russians when they get complacent again, but they won’t be smiting the Russian Flankers from the skies.
 

SolarWarden

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The GBU-39 can be launched from a HIMARS or M270, which Ukraine is known to use. No fighter jets necessary.

Sneaking about at low level with the radar off completely negates most advantages of a fighter jet over high flying counterparts. For sure it can be done to lob a few bombs or surprise the Russians when they get complacent again, but they won’t be smiting the Russian Flankers from the skies.
Claims Ukraine air force involved

Ground launch GBU-39's have been not good at all so migs carry the load.

Article of why ground launch is failing but air launch is not.
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Sinnavuuty

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Ukraine probably also knew? They also had varied types of missiles at the start and modern AD systems to practice with. I don't think US had to tell Ukraine such basic things.
It's a very different thing to know the concept in theory and apply it in practice. This not only in relation to the operators but also to the Ukrainian command.
I still think the Russians are being too meek in just letting NATO ISR operate risk free in the Black Sea to blatantly co-ordinate attacks. Doing so gives Russia all the legal justification it needs to engage in active self defence and kill those NATO birds per the UN charter. Is NATO going to go to war over the shoot down of a UAV? Of course not. The Russians don’t really have much to loose in shooting down NATO drones when they are blatantly acting as the entire kill chain for Ukrainian attacks.
On what legal basis does Russia have this right?
 

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Things must be dire if the BBC is starting to report goons press-ganging anyone and everyone they could find from the streets.

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But underneath these excuses is always the same fear, that within weeks of registering, these men would end up as cannon fodder on the front line that, to their eyes, does not appear to be moving. This is despite recent attempts by the government to give recruits some say over which units and roles they are assigned to.

When speaking to these men, there is somewhat of a disconnect. They are holding out for a Ukrainian victory, just one that does not involve them.

“I am proud that many men made the brave decision to go to the front line," said Vova. “They are truly the best of our country.”"

The Ukrainians are like the goblins from Magic the Gathering.
"Everybody but me—CHARGE!"
 

sheogorath

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The GBU-39 can be launched from a HIMARS or M270, which Ukraine is known to use. No fighter jets necessary.

I focused on the JDAM claim I had forgotten the GLSDB could somewhat work outside of non-EW heavy areas. Thing is, you can't put a "the Ukranian planes are about to bomb Moscow!" narrative spin to a good ol' MRLS's launch as he is trying really hard to do.


Western weapons manufacturers are really hiking the prices and fleecing Ukraine and its allies. Either that or someone wants a bigger cut.

155mm rounds went from $800 per piece to $4800 and old 152mm's had a even bigger hike to $5727


"war is a racket"
 

plawolf

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On what legal basis does Russia have this right?

Article 51 of the UN charter allows nations the right of self defence. Given that Russian has already suffered numerous actual attacks, a lot of the grey legal ground around Article 51 are bypassed as most of the debate is surrounding whether pre-emptive self defence is still allowed under Article 51.

Ironically, it is the US itself and allies that has done the most to expand the legal basis of pre-emptive self defence to allow them to kill civilians with phones and shovels by arguing that they were acting as spotters or bomb planters and thus can be deemed as active belligerents.

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If Russia wanted to, it has a mountain of evidence to identify NATO as a co-party in the war in Ukraine, which actually gives it legal power to declare war on NATO member states.

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Since it clearly does not want to do that, it can essentially kick the ball to the other corner by declaring that it will treat NATO ISR assets as part of Ukrainian kill chains and engage them as such and dare NATO to declare war over a drone. Which NATO clearly has no appetite for.

I can understand Russian reluctance to play escalation chicken with NATO and risk going down a slippery slope, but it’s current strategy of just doing nothing in response to NATO upping their involvement is clearly not working out for them either.
 

Sinnavuuty

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Article 51 of the UN charter allows nations the right of self defence. Given that Russian has already suffered numerous actual attacks, a lot of the grey legal ground around Article 51 are bypassed as most of the debate is surrounding whether pre-emptive self defence is still allowed under Article 51.

Ironically, it is the US itself and allies that has done the most to expand the legal basis of pre-emptive self defence to allow them to kill civilians with phones and shovels by arguing that they were acting as spotters or bomb planters and thus can be deemed as active belligerents.

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If Russia wanted to, it has a mountain of evidence to identify NATO as a co-party in the war in Ukraine, which actually gives it legal power to declare war on NATO member states.

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Since it clearly does not want to do that, it can essentially kick the ball to the other corner by declaring that it will treat NATO ISR assets as part of Ukrainian kill chains and engage them as such and dare NATO to declare war over a drone. Which NATO clearly has no appetite for.

I can understand Russian reluctance to play escalation chicken with NATO and risk going down a slippery slope, but it’s current strategy of just doing nothing in response to NATO upping their involvement is clearly not working out for them either.
How would Russia have this right if the attacks are carried out in territories illegally occupied under international law?

The article justifies self-defense when a country suffers effective aggression against its territory - which was by no means the case in question.
 

Tam

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Maxxpro taken out by FPV drones. This footage is remarkable as the Maxxpro was attacked not one but two FPV drones. The second drone is able to record footage of the first drone striking the Maxxpro before the second drone itself starts its own attack, the impact of which is recorded by a third drone observing. The Maxxpro was carrying personnel and it appears none of them escaped the attack, which is a good reason why many soldiers only attach themselves outside of the vehicle.


New kamekaze drone Molinya in action. This FPV drone is a winged one.


Ukrainian troops spotted and tracked to their hideout, which is directly shelled upon. A common mistake. This one by the Rooks special forces unit, and the 238th Artillery Brigade, at the village of Konstantinovka.


Another M2A2 Bradley gets knocked out by FPV drone.

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Still picture before Lancet hits a bunch of Ukrainian soldiers evacuating in the Volchansk area.

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Another bunch of new Su-34 was received by the Russian Air Force.

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Another missile strike reported at Mirgorod airfield.

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House believed to be occupied by Ukrainian soldiers in the right side of the Dniepr gets knocked out by the 18th Army.

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ODAB-1500 lands on a Ukrainian military warehouse in the right side of Kherson.

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Ukrainian communication tower gets knocked out by an ATGM.

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Czech site at Libau used by NATO for training AFU soldiers suffers a big ammunition explosion.

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Kiev Symphony Orchestra defected to Germany to avoid the draft.

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Perun, a heavy duty all use drone. It can be used to carry commandos to the front, retrieve the wounded from it, transfer supplies, fire ATGMs in the air or on the ground, even tested to use SARs rockets.

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Moving Ukrainian APC gets hit by an ATGM.

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Russian drone bombs Starlink antennas.

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Ukrainian observation post gets bombed by a drone from the 69th Brigade.

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2S7M Malka SPG takes out an M777.

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Humvee destroyed by an FPV drone.

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Battle for Vozdvizhenka has begun as the village highway on the sights of an Orlan. Beyond that, the highway between Konstantinovka and Pokrovsk.

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Artillerymen of the Center Group at work. D-30 howitzer? Guided projectile? Kitolovs used?

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TOS hits Ukrainian positions near Soledar.

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plawolf

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How would Russia have this right if the attacks are carried out in territories illegally occupied under international law?

The article justifies self-defense when a country suffers effective aggression against its territory - which was by no means the case in question.

Has the UN Security Council ruled the Russian invasion illegal? If not then it’s in a legal grey area the same as the US invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

As per Russian law, Crimea and the other former Ukrainian regions legally joined the Russian Federation.
 
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