The War in the Ukraine

Maikeru said:

Interesting observations. Would AI help with the UGV comms problem?

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Sure. But it will also need to come in a small package with the power and weight of approximately automotive size, rather than data center size.

And right now the best self driving cars can maybe navigate a simple 2D structure without endangering itself or others, with clear signal lights, GPS access, nobody trying to stop them, nobody trying to shoot them, being able to use headlights, no need for IFF, etc.

If you saw how easy it is for Waymo to get vandalized you'll realize that AI powered UGV is going to be a long ways off.

You might get mini tanks that link up to a main tank for field battles, but at that point why not UAVs which have superior line of sight?

So where did he get this info? Insane but according to Singapore Defense Minister US F-35's have been used to Identify Russian IADS
He doesn't say F-35's have flown over Ukraine but that is the assertion he is making.

I've always had this thought in the back of my mind that at night certain types of US aircraft may be quickly overflying Ukraine airspace but it seems everybody is in the mood to disclose secret operations NATO is doing inside Ukraine including the leaked German calls. I wonder what else will be disclosed soon.

SolarWarden said:

So where did he get this info? Insane but according to Singapore Defense Minister US F-35's have been used to Identify Russian IADS

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1764760294201397350

He doesn't say F-35's have flown over Ukraine but that is the assertion he is making.

I've always had this thought in the back of my mind that at night certain types of US aircraft may be quickly overflying Ukraine airspace but it seems everybody is in the mood to disclose secret operations NATO is doing inside Ukraine including the leaked German calls. I wonder what else will be disclosed soon.

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Been happening for two years. Wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t push the envelope more than publicly admitted.

SolarWarden said:

So where did he get this info? Insane but according to Singapore Defense Minister US F-35's have been used to Identify Russian IADS

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1764760294201397350

He doesn't say F-35's have flown over Ukraine but that is the assertion he is making.

I've always had this thought in the back of my mind that at night certain types of US aircraft may be quickly overflying Ukraine airspace but it seems everybody is in the mood to disclose secret operations NATO is doing inside Ukraine including the leaked German calls. I wonder what else will be disclosed soon.

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I dont think the U.S. would send an aircraft that self-ejects its pilots to Ukraine, I dont think the western world would be happy if an oopsie happened when the aircraft was flying in Ukraine and I doubt asking the Russians politely that they will give it back. If there is any weakness the aircraft has, it's a stupidly low flight ceiling which would give adversary aircrafts a nice reflection not only from the front but the topside of it as well.

SolarWarden said:

So where did he get this info? Insane but according to Singapore Defense Minister US F-35's have been used to Identify Russian IADS

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1764760294201397350

He doesn't say F-35's have flown over Ukraine but that is the assertion he is making.

I've always had this thought in the back of my mind that at night certain types of US aircraft may be quickly overflying Ukraine airspace but it seems everybody is in the mood to disclose secret operations NATO is doing inside Ukraine including the leaked German calls. I wonder what else will be disclosed soon.

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There is nothing insane. The relevation did not say where these Russian sites were in Ukraine.

Here I quote the twitter post,
The U.S. used their F-35s to locate and identify surface-to-air missile sites of Russian units in Ukraine

Kherson region is well within line of sight from the coast of Romainia if the aircraft flys at 15000 meters. Melitopo can be spotted in the middle of black sea. Krimea would be even more easily spotted from aircraft inside Turkish airspace. Sites around Denetsk would require aircraft flying near but still outside of Russian airsapce. None of these regions need aircraft flying over Ukrainian airspace.

The job can be done by any aircraft with decent optical sensor. F-35 makes a fuss because it is probably the only aircraft in USAF that can fly high enough and fast enough (to avoid harrasment from Russian airforce) which is also equipped with the right sensor. Even F-16 can do it IF it has something like a pod.

Those articles are a load of bull. The US can get better intelligence from Russian forces in Ukraine while still inside NATO borders with dedicated ELINT and radar aircraft. Not the F-35. And if you need to get closer you would use a drone.
Sure the F-35 might have been used in Kaliningrad. But not in Ukraine. There is no point in it and you would put pilots in danger.

blackjack21 said:

I dont think the U.S. would send an aircraft that self-ejects its pilots to Ukraine, I dont think the western world would be happy if an oopsie happened when the aircraft was flying in Ukraine and I doubt asking the Russians politely that they will give it back. If there is any weakness the aircraft has, it's a stupidly low flight ceiling which would give adversary aircrafts a nice reflection not only from the front but the topside of it as well.

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Dude how many times are you going to use that tired line? Stop the hyperbole/sarcasm you're not fooling anyone at least not me. I get you don't want it to be true that F-35's... ahhh forget it.

siegecrossbow said:

Been happening for two years. Wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t push the envelope more than publicly admitted.

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I always knew it was a possibility that F-22's or F-35's would "accidently" fly over Ukraine airspace at night because that is who the US are I'm just surprised the Defense Minister of Singapore outed the US. I thought if it ever came out it would be a Russian accusation or some western media speculation report which can be easily denied however the Defense Minister never said they fly over Ukraine airspace so there's that.

My eyes will roll to the back of my head that after Russia wins the war, we will be hearing how Russia is so lucky F-22s, F-35s, m1a2sepv4s or THAADS wasn't used.

T-64BV gets taken out by Lancet.


Shelter used by AFU troops taken out by artillery.


At least ten Geran arrivals in the Odessa region.


Sever-V unit identified and targeted an AFU vehicle hanger and an ammo depot for precise artillery fire. This in the Chasiv Yar area.


Russian troops reached to where the first two knocked out M1150s are. The first M1150 was knocked out by tanks of the 21st Brigade.


Abandoned Australian Bushmaster and Ukrainian Kazak-2M.


This warehouse used to store AFU equipment gets hit by precise artillery in Uniorobovka, Kharkhiv region.


Nepalese and Vietnamese who joined the Russians are getting trained.


They look like Krasnopol shots but also looks slow. A new type of weapon? For sure, target lasing from an Orlan is being used. I'm thinking possibly guided mortar rounds like Smelchak or Kitolov fired from self propelled mortars given the upward loop of the trajectory. An SPG of the AFU is disposed of in the Artemovosk region. The victim probably a Paladin.


Russian troops takes out a Polish Krab SPG using a captured Javelin.


Ukrainian stronghold near the Ukrainian second line of defense in the Avdeyevka direction gets hit by ATGM.


Oh wait, shells from the EU are not free?


FAB working on Ukrainian temporary bases.


MSTA-B takes out a Ukrainian ammo depot.


More Krasnopol attacks on Ukrainian positions and shelters.


Today's daily FAB bombing of Kherson.


More bombs or artillery strikes along the right side of the Dniepr.


Buk in operation, taking out a Leleka-100 over Zaporozhye. Seems overkill for a Buk to take out a Leleka, but these UAVs are often spotters for Excaliburs and HIMARS.


Here an Osa-AKM takes out a Ukrainian UAV.


The 140th air defense Brigade of the 29th Army was handed the Order of Zhukov and the 29th Army given the Guards title.


Bombardment by Tyulpan at Novaya, Artemovosk direction against bases of Ukrainian UAV operators and observation posts. Likely Smelchaks are used. By the 98th VDV.