The War in the Ukraine

I see these people still continue with the bullshit claims that Russia is using S-300 SAMs for hitting targets in Ukraine.

So far there has been no evidence of that happening, and there is plenty of video evidence of old Ukrainian air defense missiles failing and hitting targets on the ground which they weren't supposed to hit. Including in Poland. There is also plenty of evidence of Ukraine using S-200 air defense missiles to hit targets in Russian held territory. Even Euromaidan Press admits as much.

Their claims that Il-76s were being used to carry S-300 missiles so close to the border also seems highly implausible. Belgorod region is connected via rail to the rest of Russia. Would you carry explosives via airplane? Even when Russia delivers S-400 missiles to foreign countries this is typically done by boat. The launchers are carried by airplane, and the missiles by boat.

SolarWarden said:

Of course there's evidence. Ukraine doesn't operate satellites how do you not know this? Also you're comparing apples to oranges... a stormshadow strikes fixed targets that sats can easily detect. When a missile is fired at a fighter it is shooting at a high speed moving target and when it gets hit debris is scattered everywhere depending on speed and altitude how do you expect for a commercial sat to detect that?


Because IL-76 was recorded on video!

Sorry but I and Ukraine don't have access to CIA, NSA, NRO, USAF and USN SAR, optical and thermal sats. Here's a lil physics lesson... when an aircraft hits the water at high speed it is equivalent to hitting land and will disintegrate on impact. Also I'm gonna take a guess and say that awacs broke apart before impact either immediately when the missile hit or on its way down.

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That's complete BS. In this forum we have seen tons of crashes and aircraft bodies are typically strong enough that large chunks are preserved even after they hit the ground. It is as if you have no idea what goes into the structural strength of an airframe.

And sorry but Ukraine does have access to US sats. That's how they get targeting for HIMARS and Storm Shadows and the like. Even without these such crashes are more than visible with commercial satellite imaging.

Crash sites also leave large black burning marks that will persist for a long time and visible from the sky. There's also drag and skid marks.

With each day that passes, the possibilities that the A50 was shot down reduces, because if it did go down, the Americans would be waving satellite photos of the crash site all over the internet as soon as they found it. The longer it takes them to find it, the less likelihood there is a crash site to be found.

Arguments about it crashing into the sea also doesn’t wash, since as already pointed out, the sea in question is really shallow, and narrow, so even if it went down over water, it would still be detectable by satellite, and debris and bodies would have washed up all over the coast by now.

The lack of any hard evidence and American silence on the A50 shootdown claim makes the clam less credible with each passing day.

As for why Russian MOD doesn’t simply release a picture of it to disprove the rumours. Well even if the Russian MoD posted a picture of the A50, the usual suspects will simply dismiss it as an earlier photo or that a different A50 was shot down.

Besides, it seems like Ukraine will claim credit for a shoot down even if a pigeon falls out of the sky. If the Russian MOD starts trying to disprove every idiotic claim, they won’t have any resources left to actually fight the war. Maybe that’s the Ukrainians big brain strategy to winning the war all along - suck the Russians into a fight in a sphere where the west holds absolute advantage - the Reditpit and Twittersphere. Check and mate Putin! We will see NATO virtual tanks in Metaverse virtual Moscow any day now!

Ukrainian EW and observation post in South Donetsk gets hit with a precision artillery strike from the 238th Artillery Brigade. Could be using Krasnopol or Tornado.


Intel and UAV operating unit of the AFU gets wipes out trying to pull an assault on their own.


Ukrainian commander came to the trench to scold the soldier there, not knowing the soldier was actually Russian. The commander ended up getting captured.


1429nd and 1430rd Regiments gets awarded the order of Guard for their work in Rabotino.


Pictures and footages of debris and body parts from the IL-76 are now being posted online but too gory and I'm not going to post them in respect for the deceased.

Ukrainians manage to hit the Ilovaya test site in the DPR using HIMARS that's been training FPV drone operators including of Sudoplatov which has acknowledged the hit.


'Russian Spring' bombs dropped by Russian quadcopter operators on AFU FPV drone operators in Kliishivka.


58th SPN conducts drone raids on Ukrainian mortar nests in Donetsk.


New drone being developed in Russia combines both fixed wing and copter approaches. This used to be something I see in scifi games.


M777 gets nailed by precision strike in the Georgievka direction.


Ukrainian tank leading a column hits a mine laid by a Russian drone.


Footage from last summer Geran strike on Odessa only surfaces now, showing burning port. The Geran strikes have effectively shut down the export grain trade through this port.


Ukrainian tanks getting destroyed by artillery in the Kupyansk direction. Compiled footage shared by UAV operator call sign 'Italian'.


Tornado-G at work in the Svatovo region.


Latest FAB strikes on AFU operated real estate properties in Kherson.

Russia claims to have destroyed a Ukrainian SAMP/T system and S-300 radar near Belgorod.
So SAMP/T with Aster 30 looks like the most likely candidate for shooting down the Il-76 near Belgorod at this point.

With 100 km range the Aster 30 would be more than enough to hit it there. The 30 km range missiles would have been over their max range to make a kill.

gelgoog said:

Russia claims to have destroyed a Ukrainian SAMP/T system and S-300 radar near Belgorod.
So SAMP/T with Aster 30 looks like the most likely candidate for shooting down the Il-76 near Belgorod at this point.

With 100 km range the Aster 30 would be more than enough to hit it there. The 30 km range missiles would have been over their max range to make a kill.

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Where's the russian satellite pic of destruction of SAMP/T? No pic it didn't happen am I right?

An episode of the combat work of the Russian T-90M “Breakthrough” tank in the Marinka area has been published; during the battle, the tank puts up a smoke screen. The T-90M tank reportedly overcame a minefield and the first line of defense of the Ukrainian army, after which it began firing at the second line of defense of the Ukrainian army.

plawolf said:

With each day that passes, the possibilities that the A50 was shot down reduces, because if it did go down, the Americans would be waving satellite photos of the crash site all over the internet as soon as they found it. The longer it takes them to find it, the less likelihood there is a crash site to be found.

Arguments about it crashing into the sea also doesn’t wash, since as already pointed out, the sea in question is really shallow, and narrow, so even if it went down over water, it would still be detectable by satellite, and debris and bodies would have washed up all over the coast by now.

The lack of any hard evidence and American silence on the A50 shootdown claim makes the clam less credible with each passing day.

As for why Russian MOD doesn’t simply release a picture of it to disprove the rumours. Well even if the Russian MoD posted a picture of the A50, the usual suspects will simply dismiss it as an earlier photo or that a different A50 was shot down.

Besides, it seems like Ukraine will claim credit for a shoot down even if a pigeon falls out of the sky. If the Russian MOD starts trying to disprove every idiotic claim, they won’t have any resources left to actually fight the war. Maybe that’s the Ukrainians big brain strategy to winning the war all along - suck the Russians into a fight in a sphere where the west holds absolute advantage - the Reditpit and Twittersphere. Check and mate Putin! We will see NATO virtual tanks in Metaverse virtual Moscow any day now!

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Hardly anything was left of the IL-76 that crashed in Belgorod. What exactly are you expecting to see in a debris field of an A-50 in the Sea of Azov? Even if there were satellite photos of certain floating debris you wouldn't necessarily be able to identify the debris to the degree necessary to identify the aircraft, rather the sum of the reconnaissance photos may be used as evidence to create a likelihood that the aircraft was downed.

JamesRed said:

Hardly anything was left of the IL-76 that crashed in Belgorod. What exactly are you expecting to see in a debris field of an A-50 in the Sea of Azov? Even if there were satellite photos of certain floating debris you wouldn't necessarily be able to identify the debris to the degree necessary to identify the aircraft, rather the sum of the reconnaissance photos may be used as evidence to create a likelihood that the aircraft was downed.

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Probably the americans can count them and see if one is missing. Anyway, the one who makes an affirmation must prove it, not other way around.

Remind me of the use of horses in WW2.